to think that whoever let my dog out last night/early this morning is v cruel and evil person who has obv never had pets or children?

[micci25]

was laying bed when i heard my dog barking at the front of the house. when she should be safely locked up in the back yard. went to look out the back window and the back gate was wide open dog no where to be seen!

the back gate is usually locked, i dont know why it wasnt last night but i cant even remember who opened it last so cant blame anyone for that.

cue me getting up immediatley and searching streets for dog. luckily she had come back of her own accord and was waiting at the back gate while i was looking round the front for her !

dp thinks that this is forgivable as who ever let her out probably did because they were sick of her barking. i think that if this is the casae they should have to come to me to complain and not just let my family out!

the dog does bark but only when she hears noises. although this noise can be just a car and usually is. on a weekend her barking is worse because she can hear people coming home in taxis and drunks walking past.

but if she is barking for more than a couple of minutes at a time i will go and see what she is barking at which stops her.

we live oppposite a bus depo and two very busy roads so there is every chance that the dog could have been run over, she is a terrier so it is her nature to hunt and kill, she could very easily have gotten hold of some ones pet bunny, guniea pig, chickens, kitten (she is scared of cats i have two and the bully her but could easily kill a kitten), for all who ever let out knows she could be a biting dog and could have got hold of a child, also who ever did do it must live in my street as we have alley gates so they would also know that i have a four year old dd who would be gutted if her dog was hurt.

am absolutely livid that some one would be so inconsiderate dp still seems to think this acceptable (but admits it is wrong he is just not annoyed by it) as the dog could have woke them up

no lem it was not you who upset it was just the tone of the thread in general. the dog has had always had the kennel but untill we moved here had the option of coming into the kitchen via the dog flap. and as i felt uncomfotable about laeving her outside incase she got cold i kept her locked in the kitchen at night. where she had her basket which she still has.

dp was the one who suggested that i should think about keeping her out on a a night as he did not think that her piddling inb the kitchen was hygenic and rightly so but try as we did we could not get her to hold it during the night. i tried lots of praise evertime she had a 'dry night' and quietly putting her for a whil with no attention when she had a bad night. but it didnt work.

after checking with my vet that she would not be cold, he actually found this raher amusing and pointed out that terriers are bred to be working dogs and work in all weathers and that dogs do not get cold when they sleep outside because they were in fact as i said earlier wild animals before being domistcated. the vet also said that if she is used to be able to get out at night of her own accord to pee she maybe getting upset that she cannot do this anymore so it might be better for the dog to be outside.

i am still neurotic about weather upsetting her so she is only out when it is not too cold.

i did not have a problem with her peeing before i moved here as she could let herself out via the dog flap.

i would love to have intsalled a dog flap here but i have not been allowed to. i have made sure that dp has one fitted into his house ready for when when move in.

i have heard about the collers you mentioned but i think that they might be too upsetting for her and i really dont think that her barking is that much of an issue it was dp who thought she barked at night. i have not heard a lot of barking myself, admittedly i hear the occassional bark, and i have checked with the nieghbours on both side niether have a problem with my dog barking. there is a dog further up the street that barks a lot at night and i think this is what dp can hear. her barking drives me mad through the day as it is a sudden loud noise, she gives no warning to the bark and since she follows me around the house is always close to me when she does it. its enough to give you a heart attack.

i was v tired when i wrote the op and still am tbh so i did not think properly about what i was saying/thinking. thinking more sensibly and caffine fuelled now i should have mentioned that only dp hears her barking and that really there would be better explanations of how she got out than some one letting her delibrately to upset me.

and imho i am not cruel to my dog nor am i an incapable parent ( a very tierd,upset and stressed one atm, but not a bad one)or of particular low intelligence but obv i am wrong abnout this so am off now to phone rspca and social services and go live under a bridge somewhere that i wont be inflicting my inept self onto vunerable others

You go, girl.

Oh great LEM, bloody brilliant advice NOT.
So, you agree that the dog may be anxious, YET you are recommending an anti bark device??

The poor dog is made to stay outdoors, is scared of cars and rain, so barks possibly through fear, and now you suggest something to stop it voicing itself?

Are you for REAL?? You think the person who let the dog out has obviously never had a dog and you're the one leaving the poor thing in the back yard all night not kennelled???

Purlease!

the anti bark collars do not cause the dog any distress - its more of a "fuck me" whats that smell?? sort of reaction. Absolutely have no problem with advising this for nervous animals.

Also, the OP has explained that the dog has been kenneled outside all its life. Why is that such a problem?? I did have a problem when i thought it was a recent change. Micci, you can also buy DAP spray, you can spray it in her kennel - i doubt that it is equiped with an electric socket

I am an animal lover and ex veterinary nurse, however there is no point in being over sentimental. The poor doggywoggy having to sleep outside, lots of dogs sleep outside. I personally wouldnt want my own dog to sleep outside, but dont have a problem with those that do.

It now seems like the OP is back tracking to say that the dogs barking is not actually a problem.

Micci - there is a pets section, never post in AIBU about a barking dog, you'll be skinned alive

How effing selfish you are.

I hope you are not moving in near me.

I have neighbours who allow their dogs to bark, I have not spoken to them because I don't want to enter into discussions with people who are clearly inconsiderate twats. Why should people have to approach you before you are going to do something about your dog?

I think things are getting a little heated here...
If the dog will have access to the kitchen in the new house, that will be ok . In fact a dog having 24 hours access to outdoors is perfect.

if she never wees in the house when she has access to outside, as I think you are saying, then I would say that she is just a dog not used to holding on to large amounts...simply cos she has never had to.

Sooooo, problem solved in a month when you move.

Micci, I rarely swear but thank fuck you live nowhere near me. You would be my worst nightmare. Not only do you leave your dog outside yapping away (day or night makes little difference imo), you do not LISTEN to anyone! Jeez.

Only read OP.

I think the person who did this was absolutely wrong and it is indefensible.

If your dog's barking is a nuisance they should discuss it with you to reach a solution, or failing that, report it.

There is a FUCKING dog barking its stupid furry head off somewhere in my road tonight. And if it doesn't shut up I am going to go outside and STAB it.

Or you could follow Madamez crazed example straight to the asylum.....

That's the true meaning of 'barking'

The most important issue to me here would be that your dog is obviously very unhappy. Constant barking and weeing on the floor are signs of insecurity and unhappiness. Is she getting enough attention (strokes, chats, eye-contact, walks etcetera)?

Not had a chance to read all the messages, but you have a dog that barks for a couple of minutes at every car....and you live accross the road from a bus depot on 2 busy roads..

I'd think that for your neighbours that must seem like pretty constant barking all night...

I have no idea if its right or wrong for someone to have let her out (IF indeed someone did maliciously let her out...) but I don't think that level of dog barking ic acceptable in a built up area.

If she can't control her bladder, then shut her in a room with vinyl flooring, like the kitchen so its easily cleaned up...

No, the dog only gets 1/2 hour walk a day and is mentally stimulated during the day by the op's 4 year old.

Is it not time to put the pitchforks down now ladies? You've made your point, I think the OP has had enough now.

Marvellous. Everybody still posts even though it's clearly a wind-up. 2 to Micci, 0 to MN!

Marvellous indeed

Thing is - virtually any post by any Mner could be work of fiction on this board, who can tell? Whether it is factual or not is almost incidental to the discussion

The person was definitely wrong to open the gate, even if annoyed with your dog. They should have kocked on your door and asked you to stop the dog making too much noise.

If the dog is barking a lot of the time, as you seem to imply ins ome posts, then it is unreasonable of yu to allow this to continue. You need to either train the dog not to bark at every noise so it can remain outside, or you need to train the dog to be house trained re. weeing.

It is not reasonable to expect your neighbours to put up woth a noisy dog most nights, not even for just some nights. Unless you can assure them it is only ever a one off situation, which this does not seem to be, you have to do something about th dog.