to think that whoever let my dog out last night/early this morning is v cruel and evil person who has obv never had pets or children?

[micci25]

was laying bed when i heard my dog barking at the front of the house. when she should be safely locked up in the back yard. went to look out the back window and the back gate was wide open dog no where to be seen!

the back gate is usually locked, i dont know why it wasnt last night but i cant even remember who opened it last so cant blame anyone for that.

cue me getting up immediatley and searching streets for dog. luckily she had come back of her own accord and was waiting at the back gate while i was looking round the front for her !

dp thinks that this is forgivable as who ever let her out probably did because they were sick of her barking. i think that if this is the casae they should have to come to me to complain and not just let my family out!

the dog does bark but only when she hears noises. although this noise can be just a car and usually is. on a weekend her barking is worse because she can hear people coming home in taxis and drunks walking past.

but if she is barking for more than a couple of minutes at a time i will go and see what she is barking at which stops her.

we live oppposite a bus depo and two very busy roads so there is every chance that the dog could have been run over, she is a terrier so it is her nature to hunt and kill, she could very easily have gotten hold of some ones pet bunny, guniea pig, chickens, kitten (she is scared of cats i have two and the bully her but could easily kill a kitten), for all who ever let out knows she could be a biting dog and could have got hold of a child, also who ever did do it must live in my street as we have alley gates so they would also know that i have a four year old dd who would be gutted if her dog was hurt.

am absolutely livid that some one would be so inconsiderate dp still seems to think this acceptable (but admits it is wrong he is just not annoyed by it) as the dog could have woke them up

Oh right, just read that bit. Have you got a doggy thermometer then? Did you stick it up her bum? Sorry to be crude but that's the only way to tell if they have an infection.

micci25.

iv'e been following this because i love dogs (and cats) but this is a wind-up i'm sure.

Cod its not the dogs fault its her owners fault she barks at night.

i'd chain the owner up all night and see how happy she was afterwards.

It gets worse...you say she used to let herself in/out thru cat flap..did she pee in the house when she could let herself in and out? if she was clean then, that is your problem. I can't understand this at all tbh.

yep me too expat. I fucking HATE the thought of any animal chained up. How sick.

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micci... where are you moving to??

micci, you've been on this thread for almost two days.

you've committed to making changes to ensure that you will become a responsible dog owner.

hurrah!

perhaps you should now take the poor animal out for a long walk instead of endlessly trying to defend the indefensible on the internet?

no she didnt used to pee when we had a flap she would go out as she goes out now when the door is open but i cannot leave the backdoor open all night. and i cannot install a flap in this house as it is not my house and the landlord will not allow this even if i replace the door before i leave. i have already checked.

she is not chained up and never has been. she has a (very large considering her breed) kennel with blankets and food and water are always available. i dont not see what is cruel about this. she is not locked outside at all times and has never slept with the family anyway. she has always been confined during the night, she used to sleep in the kitchen. if the weather is bad she still does sleep in the kitchen in her basket.

i checked with my vets before she started sleeping outside whether she would get too cold/hot etc. he thinks that she will be fine and did not see any of this to be cruel. imo it would be more cruel putting her into a crate as she has never been confined to a small space before and i think that she would find this deeply upsetting.

also due to the fact that dp was still convinced that her barking is a problem on a night/and him feeding my paranoia that whoever tried to get in sunday morning would come back i was awake all night.

the dog barked once, by this i mean one bark not one episode of barking, it was at a strange cat who tried to sit on our wall. there was a small dog further up the street who went absolutely bonkers for about an hour last night (i expected my dog to bark back at it but she didnt) i think this is the dog that dp has been hearing not our dog, since my sister who regularly sleeps on my sofa, neighbours from both sides and mil all say that they dont hear much from my dog on a night if anything at all, maybe i should have worded my op better and said that it is only dp's opinion that she barks all night. no one else hears her.

i was upset because i thought that who ever let her out must live in my street as we have alley gates as pointed out my dp any one could v easily climb over these gates. and i still think that if any one did delibrately let her out this was a v irresponsible thing to do.

but i now think that a more plausible explanation is that some one tried to get into the house dog chased them away as she is meant to do(as she was bought to be a guard dog and has always had a kennel outside, she just used to have access to the house via catflap in my old house and slept in a basket in the kitchen here on a night up untill about 1 year ago)

I don't think this is a wind up at all, i think this is genuine i have also seen this poster on mn before.

I think there are however some major issues here & am feeling very sorry for the dog in question

Do you leave the dog out in all weather?

Ok, so you are moving soon? And she will have access to a cat flap once you move?

if this is the case, well, there is no problem as she will hopefully use cat flap, hence no peeing in house, hence no locking outside, correct?

When do you move?

no i dont leave the dog outside all weather i have already said she sleeps in her basket in the kitchen if the weather is bad, (snowy, v cold, windy, heavy rain)

hopefully dp's house should be ready within two weeks, one month at latest. there is flap built into the door already

Just give the dog to someone who will take proper care of her as you are obviously incapable.

Micci - what I dont understand is you arent really taking on the comments on board at all. Loads of people have said to you you are being cruel and should give the dog away to be rehomed. Can you really not see you are a crap dog owner and being cruel? If you werent surely you'd be jumping up and down at the posts that say you are.

after having read this thread, my honest reaction, and im not being nasty is, rehome the dog. Rather than tackle her wee problem you have transfered it and locked her out at night. Of course she is going to bark, especially if she is a terrier. Her wetting and barking sounds like an extremely anxious dog to me. I don't have any problem with a dog being kept outside however there has been no consistency here. The dog doesnt know whether she is coming or going. My dog barks at noises, so i dont put him in the garden at night, he barks in the house but is yelled at to stop.

You have said she piddles in her kennel - nice house she must have then .

You do have to ask yourself if this dog fits in with your lifestyle? She sounds like a lovely lively little thing, but is being made anxious by being pushed out of the family home, hance the barking. Its a vicious circle.

You could try a DAP diffuser, this is available from your vets and is a dog pheremone which can calm them down, this could tackle both the barking and the urinating. You have to allow it to work, it can take up to a month and its not cheap.

Do you not wonder if this little dog would be better in a more rural environment?

I have to say also, in the grand scheme of things, does it really matter if the dog pisses indoors of a night? Keep her in the kitchen and mop it up in the morning. I used to have a rottie that in his last year was fecally incontinant (yuck) i wouldnt have DREAMED of putting him outside after him being an indoor dog all his life - i would have put him to sleep before i did that.

blimey, ive read alot of the posts here - OK, so i agree that the OP is not acting in the best interest of her dog, or her neighbours, but i think she is misguided and has a problem wtih her dog - i dont think it makes her a bad person - christ, whats with the public flogging and questioning of IQ??

LEM - OP is plainly an idiot as she has ignored all sensible advice and just bleats the same thing every time she posts. I have no sympathy as she is not interested in caring for her dog.

Take her wii, tv, dvd player, ipod, mobile phone and bone away until she learns to stay the right side of the gate.

ive often thought there a fine line between child rearing and dog training

And Micci25's "problems"

there has been no consistancy? she has had the kennel all her life but before i moved into this she had the option to choose whether she slept indoors or out.

that is the only thing that has changed and there is no cruelty in letting an animal sleep outside. were they not wild animals before being domisticated? i suppose they built themselves nice little houses did they?

my vet has no problem with my dogs condition and sees her regularly.

and actully lem she has three sets of balnkets and two mats for her kennel the blankets are swapped for clean ones daily and her mat gets changed every two to three days depending upon how smelly they get. and her keenel is disinfected at least once a week. that is how much time i spend cleaning up after the dog that i am so cruel too. i also get up at 6:30am to walk the dog that i cant be bothered with.

then why are you so defensive?? You clearly stated that the dog was put outside because she wet in the house? So she has always slept outside? Thats OK, i dont have any problem with that. But as a pet owner you do have a legal responsibility to ensure that she doesnt disturb your neighbours.

As none of your neighbours have contacted you about the dog, then maybe they are none to bothered and it was just kids out for kicks or something like that? Or maybe they know you would react badly??

Dogs bark though, and i am not whiter than white, my rottie used to bark bark bark when he was in the garden - during the day, through his own choice, and sometimes in the evening.

Try and think about what you want from your dog? Would you like to have her in the house? If so, then tackle the piddle problem. It might be she has a weak bladder and the dog flap will help with this. Go along to your vet and talk about it, it is most likely habit but if there is a physical cause, its not the end of the world, there are drugs that can control it, depending on the cause, propalin will help with bladder control. Try the DAP for anxiety. Is she speyed?? This might make a difference too - i would wholy recommend you spey her, it helps prevent some life threatening conditions later in life and may well settle her down.

There has been a lot of sound advice on this thread and im sorry if i upset you, but you don't seem to want to listen. I did post sticking up for you though.

Also, you can get a special collar that squirts citronella whenever the dog barks, completely harmless but the dog hates the smell. They are expensive, but your vet may have one to lend you, all you will need to do is buy a refil (about £20) if i remember rightly.

You are right, whoever let the dog out, was a twunt, but maybe it was just someone being a twunt as apposed to someone bothered by the dogs barking. We have several dogs around here and you do here them bark of a night, but not incessantly, which would be a big problem.