To be done with Labour - no money will be saved

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I've just seen on ITV news that even if the bill goes through no money whatsoever will be saved. So it all seems a pretty pointless exercise. What on earth was the point of all this fuss and argument. Might have guessed this government would be a disaster. That huge majority and they can't get anything done.

I hate to think what the UK will be like after 4 more years of this.

And that's painful and crap. But better than digging yourself deeper into an economic black hole.

Is that recent @MyNameIsX?

Wondering if Corbyn has confirmed the party

Yes, 25th June @EasternStandard

But perhaps @Blossomtoes knows differently, or has some inside intel the rest of us are not privy to?

On the contrary.

I am simply interested in them splitting the Labour vote.

I've never got this U-turn hysteria. The whole point of having the house of commons is to debate these changes and for your MP to represent you. It's fair to say then that you'd expect U-turns in a democracy. What I don't expect is these idiotic ideas where the poorest get punished the most to materialise in the first place.

It is interesting what is being said about Corbyn. This might make Labour pick a side now and stop trying to pander to Reform voters. The biggest mistake they have made in the last year is trying to appeal to more right leaning voters, ignoring the fact quite alot of them need the WFA and disability benefits. Huge mistake.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/03/jeremy-corbyn-hints-at-launch-of-new-party-as-leftwing-alternative-to-labour

Couldn’t agree more. I’d rather shit, punitive ill thought through ideas didn’t make it into legislation.

This new party worries me though. If you’re not a Tory or a Reform voter and you care about the economy, health and education etc then you would normally vote Labour.

If the students and young people go off naively with a Corbyn party which couldn’t run the country and of the Reform-leaning voters who are currently voting Labour go with Reform (because Reform promises everything to everyone and these voters were scared and pissed off over WFA and disability benefits) then is there enough of a remaining Labour vote to get a Labour majority?
Even in a future, less populist-right-wing version of Labour? ..which would be great to see!

If you think this is "socialism on steroids" you have really have no idea about politics.

This government has destroyed anything vaguely approaching "socialism" in its programme.

The bond market actually improved when it became clear that the Chancellor would remain in office.

As a commentator in the Guardian said yesterday she is now one of the few politicians in the UK whose career has actually been boosted by the bond market's reaction.

The market sees her as a safe pair of hands.

BTW, calling her "Rachel from Accounts" does nothing to strengthen your "argument" (and I use that word in the loosest sense).

Because Labour have taken borrowing so high she has to stay. Anyone else would go further on spend and debt.

So due to her and Starmer’s last budget borrowing it’s so precarious that any more borrowing will blow out the markets.

And then you have the rebel MPs hollowing out bills with cuts and potentially demanding more spend.

The Tories and labour can't run the country either. As both are and have demonstrated

But you said this last night.
So, which is it???

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 22:36

Sorry to spoil the fun but Corbyn’s just denied all knowledge.

And here’s Corbyn’s first manifesto pledge….to stop the gendarmerie acting in such a callous way.

French police have punctured Channel migrants’ boats at sea for the first time in a change of tactics backed by Yvette Cooper.

Officers entered the sea on a beach near Boulogne-sur-Mer on Friday armed with knives to puncture the dinghies in water that was shallow enough for the migrants to wade back to shore.

Dozens of migrants, including some women and children, had to give up their attempt to reach the UK as the boat started to deflate and sink.

Ms Cooper, the Home Secretary, said it was a “different” and “welcome” strategy that was part of wider plans for French border police and gendarmes to start intervening in shallow waters within 300 metres of the shore to stop migrants’ boats leaving.

Both. As you’d see had you bothered to read the article.

Corbyn, 76, has not committed to the project becoming a party, or endorsed any specific leadership roles. The Guardian understands he was frustrated by Sultana’s unilateral announcement, which some regard as premature and potentially counterproductive.

And if you had bothered to read media other than the Guardian echo chamber, you would not have been so quick to dismiss.

In any event, when, a new party is formed by Corbyn, many of us will then be intrigued to hear your views. Presumably you will be happy, given he apparently plans to campaign on inequality et al.

I’ll give you my views now. If it actually happens it will have sunk without trace by Christmas. He’s a washed up, egotistical old Marxist who’ll be 80 by the next election. There’s no place for him in modern politics and he couldn’t run a bath, let alone a country. Clear enough for you?

Thank you - crystal clear.

Whilst I share your views of him, Corbyn may merely prove emblematic for the far left, including Ms Sultana. My interest extends largely to his propensity to split Labour, of course.

These are strange times, BT - if you can conceive it, it is possible...

Jeremy Corbyn has said that “discussions are ongoing” after former Labour MP Zarah Sultana said that she would “co-lead the founding of a new party” with the ex-Labour leader.

In a post on social media, the independent MP and former Labour leader said:

Real change is coming.
One year on from the election, this Labour government has refused to deliver the change people expected and deserved. Poverty, inequality and war are not inevitable. Our country needs to change direction, now.

Congratulations to Zarah Sultana on her principled decision to leave the Labour party. I am delighted that she will help us build a real alternative.

The democratic foundations of a new kind of political party will soon take shape. Discussions are ongoing – and I am excited to work alongside all communities to fight for the future people deserve.

Together, we can create something that is desperately missing from our broken political system: hope.

I realise you may not agree with me, but I honestly believe that this Government is toast. It’s likely to get bumpy IMHO - we should all buckle up.

My Corbyn loving friends have already signed up, another friend in an unrelated pro Gaza pool is keen too - reckon they could definitely win up to 10 seats…

If there’s a SM following there’s a crowd to vote.

Which looked like the situation if you checked Twitter in 2017 and 2019. Strangely it didn't then translate into a parliamentary majority. It won't now.

Who’s talking about a parliamentary majority?

It’s said to be 1 in ten votes which would be pretty good for a new party.

Ah, ok, just a spoiler vote. My worry then would be them teaming up with the Greens and making enough of a dent to give us Reform as the largest party, Farage as PM possibly propped up by the Tories under Jenrick. Of course for the Owen Jones fan club, this will be fine since all other parties are just as bad at Reform so it will make no difference. The rest of us will have more to worry about.

There are already splits between Sultanas faction who want co-leadership and Corbyns faction who want him to be sole leader. As usual with the Left they are incapable of cooperation because ideological purity is all. What is the real difference between the Greens, Socialist Workers Party, all the million other socialist/far Left groups and this new group? There isn't anything major but they will find something ( probably based on something someone said in the 1970s) and argue that it's a major policy or ideological difference that means they can't possibly just merge and decide who they want to lead it. It's a tale as old as Marxism and Trotskyism.