To be done with Labour - no money will be saved

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I've just seen on ITV news that even if the bill goes through no money whatsoever will be saved. So it all seems a pretty pointless exercise. What on earth was the point of all this fuss and argument. Might have guessed this government would be a disaster. That huge majority and they can't get anything done.

I hate to think what the UK will be like after 4 more years of this.

What, like the Tory’s did? Ffs.

FFS don't ghoul over politicians crying. They’re human beings. That’s partly why we’re in this mess politically. Very few normal people who are intelligent and public spirited would touch it with a barge pole because of the endless flak they get.
I don’t want to be ruled by mega millionaires again who have no idea how people live

An ilk... What?

Obesity is really complex and its co-morbid conditions as real and impactful as any other. The problem is that the prevailing yet wrongful view of obesity being caused purely by eating too much and not moving enough have stymied research, allowed governments to enable food manufacturers to give us ever more processed foods which affect the way our bodies work and turned obesity into a moral issue where blame is placed on the individual for supposedly being lazy and greedy. Obesity, in my opinion, is a partly biological and partly cultural issue. I am neither being spiteful nor calling you an ilk (did you think I meant oik perhaps?).

A snap election - surely you're not being serious? You can't possibly think that's on the cards. Under what process do you imagine it would happen?

The way processed food, unprocessed food or any kind of food gets into your body is by eating it.

I got fat eating home cooked meals.

You referred me to me as of the ilk as a sneery put down.

Those with conditions that can improve do get regular assessments every 2 to 3 years and have to provide up to date medical evidence each time.
It's only those who have conditions that will never improve who are given longer/ongoing awards, but even they can still be called in for an assessment at any time

I'm surprised that you haven't come across the term I used before but please don't attribute your own interpretation of it to me. It's a common enough and neutral term. There is literally nothing spiteful, sneery or derogatory about it.

There are endemic problems in the economy affecting growth. I'll judge them after 4/5 years not one.

And Labour’s policies even if some will ignore that part.

The economy was growing when they got into power. Jobs market was really hot. It's not the case now.

Look at this
AstraZeneca exit is a frightening prospect for the City and the government | Money News | Sky News
Yes, there are several reasons, but if you followed AZN story Labour are major contributors to it. Everyone in this country will suffer because of their exit, in one way or another

It’s worrying to see this but isn’t this more about Trump being crazy with tariffs? So maybe more of a pull to the U.S. than a push to have to leave the UK?

Also the damage to the UK as a business base seems largely to stem from
Brexit. So we should be looking to sort that out by asking to rejoin.

Yes I remember this from the early days of this government. That's a worrying update.

I disagree. It's the cost of doing business or making stuff here. Labour costs, energy costs, all going nuts and apparently worse to come with more tax rises in the Autumn and Milliband doubling down on net zero. Absolute madness.

It’s earlier than that - I agree there are long term issues, our earnings per head are far lower post 2008 financial crash for example, brexit is another problem, so is Covid related borrowing - we’ve got a layer cake of bad factors, but labour came in and whacked on the exploding candles

Not at all. There is plenty to google on it, they started actively considering it when Labour came into power.

In brief - Tory promised AZN investment support (to the best of my memory in a range of £400m, peanuts really from budget perspective in context of expected returns).
Labour revoked this decision.

Then Labour made all their wise budget decisions and here we go. Do people understand "hugeness" of this move?

That’s not good at all

Jeremy Corbyn sets up new Left-wing party.

Former Labour leader, expelled by Sir Keir Starmer five years ago, will co-lead new party with Zarah Sultana

GO JEZZA, GO!

Split the Labour Party, please.

I just heard this on the news. I had to laugh. What idiots they are.

Sorry to spoil the fun but Corbyn’s just denied all knowledge.

Sorry to burst your bubble, BT.

MP Zarah Sultana, suspended from Labour, has announced she is resigning from the party to join Jeremy Corbyn’s Independent Alliance.

Sultana declared she will “co-lead the founding of a new party” – even though, while there was an agreement in principle to form one, the timing and leadership had not been settled, the Guardian understands.

Reports that Diane Abbott will join as Shadow Chancellor, are as yet, uncorroborated though 😙😆

Enjoy!

Surely the issue is that a welfare state cannot cope or in fact survive if the number of welfare recipients continues to increase exponentially. A welfare state can only survive if there are enough people working to fund it. So what are govt to do? The only option that makes sense may be cutting welfare payments and being more stringent on rules re who qualifies for welfare. I'm not saying this is good or bad, just saying this serms to be where uk is right now and ignoring the issue achieves nothing.

Speaking on ITV’s Peston, Corbyn acknowledged “a significant thirst for an alternative view to be put” and confirmed that he was working with a number of independent groups to bring them together.

He suggested the formation of a “left independent party of socialist view[s]” and indicated that it could contest seats nationally.

DELICIOUS.

Delicious? I'd wait to see what their policies are first tbh

Live in Republic of Ireland where we had imf governance for a while post economic collapse. Sometimes, running out of money is the problem and has to be resolved.