To be done with Labour - no money will be saved

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I've just seen on ITV news that even if the bill goes through no money whatsoever will be saved. So it all seems a pretty pointless exercise. What on earth was the point of all this fuss and argument. Might have guessed this government would be a disaster. That huge majority and they can't get anything done.

I hate to think what the UK will be like after 4 more years of this.

I’m not sure if any will go. They might prop each other up until the GE. Starmer is too tied in and accountable for anything Reeves puts in action. I guess we’ll see, maybe someone will be out.

Not sure it will help Labour though.

To have four with that diagnosis in one family should also prompt some sort of intervention. There must be a reason why this is affecting your family in such numbers. When this happens, is there any investigations by medical professionals as to possible reasons behind it?

Possible reasons behind having 4 ND children? Do you think it’s something in their tap water?

‘Propping up’ each other for another four years I find implausible. Clearly, Starmer does not possess control, and the party is divided along tribal lines, with the left merely pandering to their constituencies. I will go further, and say with a degree of conviction - I struggle to see this Government completing a full term.

The markets will ultimately dictate, as Labour apologists are happy to remind everyone else, vis the Truss era.

Yes the markets might take them out earlier. The not doing full term could be more plausible than Starmer going. It’d cause more market reactions if it’s Rayner or further to left on borrowing and taxes.

You might be right about that.

How can Labour be ousted? They can’t. They have a large majority. Even if there were a GE tomorrow the opposition vote would be severely split, ushering in Labour again. In some former Tory strongholds the LibDems have taken over, as people have a misplaced idea that they are in the middle”.

Again we will have a party in power that most people did not vote for.

Furthermore I saw estimates that the next parliament could see 30 Muslim MPs - ie Muslim issue MPs (not MPs who happen to be Muslims) which would bring a lot of difficulties given the platforms they are likely to be elected on.

has anyone other than me noticed that when Reeves speaks in parliament, KS looks like he's chewing a wasp?

I hope you're right X.

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"Researchers at Deutsche Bank have just published their research on the UK economy, and it is a horror show for the chancellor.

They reckon the "floor" of tax rises needed is £10bn to £15bn.

They estimate that policy decisions from the government could cost as much as close to £10bn - this includes U-turns on things like welfare and also scrapping the two-child benefit cap (something that hasn't happened but is on the cards).

However, they have also highlighted that lower growth and poorer tax intake due to global factors - including the US trade war - look set to hammer the UK's coffers.

In total, Deutsche reckons Chancellor Rachel Reeves will need to find anywhere from £18bn to £32bn in the budget in the autumn.

The reckon spending cuts "have likely reached their political limits" and therefore more tax rises are on the way.
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Employer NI hike was supposed to raise £25bn. Only three months it's already causing very significant issues with employment. If it's true that min tax rises needed are £10bn then I'm struggling to see what else Labour can do without killing economy completely

Here we go.

Angela Rayner was “instrumental” in pushing Sir Keir Starmer to water down his flagship welfare Bill.

The Deputy Prime Minister held hours of crunch talks with Labour MPs who were poised to vote against the legislation before a last-minute climbdown by Sir Keir.

Rachael Maskell, a leading Labour welfare rebel, said this morning that the debacle on the Bill saw a “change in power” away from Sir Keir as the legislation “disintegrated before our eyes”.

A crackdown on the personal independence payment (Pip) has now been abandoned and will only be considered after a wider review of the benefits system by Sir Stephen Timms, the disability minister.

Two well-placed sources said that Ms Rayner masterminded the about-turn, as first reported by Bloomberg.

Labour civil war beckons.

They are Labour.

Did you really expect them to save any money anyway ?

Are we about to see the first female labour leader? She certainly fancies the job…

It’s very common as ND is often hereditary.

And re intervention what do you expect professionals to carry out? I wasn’t aware there was a gene eradication intervention. 😅

Absolutely. 100% this. And again, this trajectory was obvious before election yet people voted Labour.

The issue is that those poor / vulnerable ones are upset by Labour for even considering tightening requirement so will vote Reform. And then Reform will dismantle welfare state all together. ADHD/autism/anxiety/depression etc etc won't even exist in Reform's books. Oh we will miss boring Rishi

I completely agree re reform - yes, we’ll be back to they just need to try harder x1000.

He always looks like that. Although at other times has an uncomprehending look when finances are being discussed - never had a strong grasp.

Yes Labour have completely blown it really. Some folk angry for them daring to consider welfare cuts, the rest angry because of the now inevitable tax rises.

So ill health then. In other words, what ill health/disability benefits are for. Very sneaky of you to pretend people get PIP for being fat. Straight out of the Telegraph "people get PIP if they wet the bed" playbook.

Probably one of the less informed comments I've read in my life.

What's sneaky about it?

People have eaten so much food that their body doesn't work anymore, frequently permanently damaging themselves.

You lack understanding of how obesity works. You also lack understanding of how PIP works. It's about how you are affected, not the root cause of your ill health and whether you're deserving of financial support. I imagine you're one of the ilk who would deny NHS treatment to drinkers, smokers, skiers, anyone who gets in a car, anyone who walks along the pavement...

No I'm not an ilk. I was very obese for several years through eating far too much and lost weight because I was feeling the impact on my body and knew I had to take action.

I could have carried on eating until I had fully debilitated myself but instead I worked on understanding how obesity works in order to lose the weight.

I have also smoked and drink alcohol.

Your imagination fails you and your spite got the better of you.

So the grown ups are in charge, are they?

Pull yourselves together Reeves.

What did I say earlier? She’s a gonner.

The chancellor crying in parliament .

All that hubris from her about how amazing she was and now she's out of control and crying.

Astonishing.

No mercy should be shown to any of them - they made it personal from the off.

The odds on a snap election will surely shorten in the coming weeks and months.