Where are the trans men?

[BlueandPinkSwan]

Just that really, we are always hearing about men wanting to 'become women'. Phycially, mentally and emotionally impossible, but why aren't women rushing to do the same thing in reverse?
Just interested to know as I'm gender critical, and hate the patriarcal society we live in.
Is it because men wouldn't accept it as a trans man being part of their tribe but women are forced to put up with trans women invading /trying to enter into woman only spaces?

They just don’t shout about it so much and men don’t feel threatened by women so don’t object to the toilet /changing room/ hospital ward/ sports team usurping

I know many more trans men than trans women.
I think I read that over half of the patients at gender clinics are trans men (biological females)

They don't cause conflict or threat in the same way as trans women do & 'pass' more easily if they are on T so you prob wouldn't realize unless you knew them personally.

I see fewer & fewer young lesbian women & worry that young lesbian teenage girls are being pushed into identifying as trans. That seems a backwards step.

I can tell

Or maybe they can’t be bothered to have a ridiculous argument?

Who is telling you that you should be scared of anyone?

Or is this you transposing women's and girl's concerns as being someone telling you that you should be scared ?

The main are teenagers and young adults. The data shows a huge rise and massive in comparison to teenagers who want to be girls.

Now what would cause teenage girls so much discomfort that they want to escape that life and be viewed as the opposite sex?

Thanks Pencils for clarifying that.

It’s such a head fuck. People really should say “trans identifying” followed by if they are a man or a woman.

Sports were segregated by sex to allow female people to have the same competitive opportunities as male people. If you believed that sports were made to keep us out of the 'boys clubs', then you and others were mistaken.

"Real feminism" has always been about lifting female people out of oppression that has come from negative sexist discrimination. I don't ever recall 'real feminists' declaring that female people believed they were men and wanting to compete with 'men'.

Have the same opportunities? Yes.
Parity of earnings in sport? Yes.
Treated with respect for their achievements? Yes.

Treated as if they were just another male person, using equipment designed for male bodies and competing with male people? When? When was this era of 'real feminism'?

It defies belief that someone would consider this a feminist objective. But I am keen to see the evidence of it.

Still waiting for @KerryAnnSalford to define what a female is.

I know at least one trans man. A lovely person, and I honestly wouldn't have known had they not 'come out'. Although gender critical, and of the firm belief that sex cannot be changed, I find it very hard to think of them as anything other than male.

It could be argued that some trans men and trans women continue to act in some ways that are stereotypical of their biological sex - just getting on with things, and making a big deal of themselves respectively.

Yep, this.

I really worry for transmen. The ones who spring to mind (Ellen/Elliot Page for one) seem to me quite fragile, not the loud, all-over-Instagram, let's-pee-at-Downing-Street type that a lot of TIMs seem to be.

Trans men pose no threat to anyone. Ultimately, and regardless of what we are told, none of these people has actually changed sex.

The men my husband works with can not tell he is biologically female. Believe me, in prison, if they knew, he would be dealing with all kinds of abuse. He gets abuse for balding, being short, being muscular, wearing glasses. They would not hold back.

So were you a lesbian and now you’re straight? How does that work?

…if they knew… This is part of the problem, isn’t it, people don’t like to be deceived.

I was straight, I now consider myself bisexual, I am attracted to my husbands masculinity but there is no denying he is biologically female. This doesn't bother me, therefore bisexual covers it best.

oh and by masculinity I mean how he looks, his body, beard, muscles.

Personality wise he is the rom com loving, romantic stereotypically feminine one of the two of us.

Agreed. This would be much clearer.

The majority of transpeople I know are transmen, and yes I know a few

But this is clearly just a thinly veiled attempt to bash transwomen

They aren't being deceived

There are loads of trans men. I’m a boring middle aged heterosexual woman and I know several. I’d say at least five. You would never in a million years guess they were trans. They are just ordinary school dad types. 🤷🏻‍♀️ No one feels weird or threatened by it, though if you are twitchy about gender (I’m not), you might be freaked out to find yourself sharing a loo with one. 😂

You were straight but in a relationship with someone female? How does that work?

So they all told you? So they’re not actually wanting to be seen as men?