Where are the trans men?

[BlueandPinkSwan]

Just that really, we are always hearing about men wanting to 'become women'. Phycially, mentally and emotionally impossible, but why aren't women rushing to do the same thing in reverse?
Just interested to know as I'm gender critical, and hate the patriarcal society we live in.
Is it because men wouldn't accept it as a trans man being part of their tribe but women are forced to put up with trans women invading /trying to enter into woman only spaces?

The trans men I know are just quietly trying to get on with their lives. Same as the trans women I know.

I know two. What are you talking about?

What is it that turns a male-bodied person into a female person, or vice versa? For me and other sex realists everyone is either female or male, entirely because of the body type they have. Sex is determined at conception and can't be changed. The physical differences between the sexes and our different reproductive roles are what leads to sexism and the need for separate sports etc.

I personally know two. They are just human beings to me so I don’t see any reason to doubt their existence.

Trans women are less than 1% of the population, so any “men pretending to be transwomen” is going to be even lower

I don’t follow your logic here @KerryAnnSalford. Why ‘must’ this be the case? What if there are more men pretending to be transwomen than there are actual transwomen?

(Or to put it another way: What if there are more men pretending to pretend to be women than there are men pretending to be women?)

I know more Female to male. I can think of 4 straight away. One is could possibly pass as 'male' in passing.

I am guessing you missed a pass in science at school, given your wilful knowledge of basic biology!

To be honest it doesn’t matter what you or I think because the law now , where it matters , says that it is biological sex that matters.

And since the judgement it is not surprising how many people have suddenly changed their minds about it and realise they do understand biology after all.

Oh, and the ones I know, common denominators are autism and poor mental health.

The mother of my toddler relative is a trans man She doesn’t want her son to know the word mum or mother. Poor mixed up kid who gets told off for knowing.

I dont think trans men have as much of an issue as trans women because they actually look like men. Most of them are bloody handsome.Unlike trans women who need to make a big fuss because they still look like men.

It used to be that there were a lot more trans men than trans women, I don’t know if that has changed now but there’s still a lot of them.

As you say you are GC and you’re on MN, so the stories you hear are going to be more about trans women.

There are also not many male only spaces and if a female enters these spaces then it’s not seen as a big deal
If I nip into the men’s toilets it would not cause a scene but if a man came into a woman’s toilets it would cause chaos.

Of course there are reasons why we need female only spaces.

It also happens that biological males commit most crimes and so when we think negatively of trans people, it is going to be more trans women because they are biologically male.

I personally know one person (20s) who's definitely a female to male, who takes testosterone and has had 'top' surgery. I am also aware of another who lives as a man (40s) in my local community, and has a wife, though not aware of their meds/surgey status (none of my business). There's also another girl (late teens/early 20s) who started wearing men's clothes a while back, and is now starting to look more masculine facially (facial hair), so presume she's maybe on meds (again, none of my business).
I am aware of a lot more males who dress/try to act like their idea of a woman, but not aware of their surgery/meds status (still none of my business). There's at least 2 at my son's old school.

IRL, I only know 2 people who disagree with it: my MIL and BIL. None of my friends or colleagues have any issues with trans people, or with what facilities they choose to use.

Well that's great, but there are lots of women with good reason to not want to share their facilities with men. Often because they've been abused by men in the past. Do these women's needs not count?

As for transmen, they are generally going about their business, not bothering anyone. They are not threats to anyone. That's why there's less attention on them.

That's statistically very unlikely given that polls show the majority of people support single sex spaces and sports and the numbers are increasing year on year.
More likely is that you don't know the true feelings of as many of your friends and colleagues as you think you do.

My nephew is a trans man

Probably just quietly getting on with their own lives due to their female social conditioning.

And then occasionally having babies ie doing the most female thing possible 😵‍💫 make it make sense.

I know one who keeps his head down because the hostility would put him at the risk of serious harm

I see a few on my walk to work (city centre). The trans men are very distinct from the butch lesbians. The trans men are often quite slim build, around average height for a woman, and have wispy moustaches and beards. Some of them have male pattern baldness desire being early 20s.

I think its cultural and biological - as one earlier poster said transmen did not grow up feeling entitled as many biological males do - but I also think most biological woman just get on with things and transmen being biological women just get on with things too.

Horrified with trans politics so non-binary as a quiet subversive statement.

Personally I find it harder to tell a trans man because the ones I know have absolutely splendid beards which adds to the masculine look so if I hadn’t known pre transition I’d probably have not known unless they’d have wanted to share that information with me.

It is not hatred to say female people also exist. It is not hatred to want to speak of the challange, needs and expereinces of being female without having it bundled up with the gendered expereinces of trans women, or indeed having it disconnected from the sexed experiences of trans men.

If your beliefs require that half of humanity cannot speak of our own sex and why it matters, you need to reconsider your beliefs.

Niece - there fixed it for you

You will find that this exact cohort of natal males also exists, but transitions a bit later (around 19-24), probably reflecting the slightly later puberty and maturation of natal males Vs females.