Where are the trans men?

[BlueandPinkSwan]

Just that really, we are always hearing about men wanting to 'become women'. Phycially, mentally and emotionally impossible, but why aren't women rushing to do the same thing in reverse?
Just interested to know as I'm gender critical, and hate the patriarcal society we live in.
Is it because men wouldn't accept it as a trans man being part of their tribe but women are forced to put up with trans women invading /trying to enter into woman only spaces?

My husband is a trans man, he works in a men’s prison, uses men’s facilities and generally just quietly gets on with being a man.

“There are young straight women who identify as gay men and who are starting to encroach on gay men's spaces. The men don't like it because it kills the mood.”

I don’t agree at all. The gay men for the most part don’t seem to mind a great deal. Women are at risk in these spaces physically, even if they think they’re men.

The amount of trans women even competing in sports is negligible, so idk why this is being used as a soundboard when discussing the very real struggles they face in the world (including sexism, because transphobia at its route is enshrined in misogyny and the idea that being a woman is “less” so how could somebody possibly be a “woman by choice” and that any trans men are just trying to “get male privilege”. The arguments in themselves are stupid. Trans people are far more likely to be victims than perpetrators and the hostility around them is just making things more unsafe not just for them for ALL of us. I’ve lost track of the amount of times I’ve been accused of being a man by another woman just because I’m a bit taller and have a squarer jawline (of course I do! My parents are Dutch for godsake)

Also, since when were segregated sports actually made to protect us? They were made to keep us out of the “boys clubs”, I remember back in the days of real feminism we used to dream about playing alongside the men.

Well I know two trans men and no trans women
The first trans man I know transitioned over 20 years ago and the other is in the process now.
It's not a modern phenomenon

Yes of course they're at risk. Have you not come across gay men complaining about this though? Did you not see any of the reaction to the inclusion of a woman on I Kissed A Boy?

I spoke about opportunities as well as protection. Please re-read.

@KerryAnnSalford - but you know (and we know!) trans identifying men are men. Or otherwise how do you answer: what is a woman?

There’s no dressing up in lipstick and mascara opportunities, hence so many less applicants.

You cannot transition unless you believe that some personalities are more "female" than others. It's absolutely an offshoot of the same misognist thought system as patriarchy. The whole concept of a gender "spectrum" with traits that are more or less maculine or feminine is Patriachal.

As a family we know 4 transpeople, 3 of whom are trans men in varying stages of making physical changes. I’m quite surprised that we know that many as most people I know don’t know any at all.

The patriarchy supporting GC women just can't stop hating. They have won a victory over trans women and now turn their bottomless hatred to trans men.

An Adult human female, which for me includes trans women.

trans women are women in my eyes and trans men are men. No amount of bigotry or dog whistling is changing my opinion on that and I’m thankful that most outside of the mums net echo chamber seem to agree with me on that

define “female”.

Yes I'm sure most feminists dream of the day when women can get beaten up by men in the boxing ring.

I know one trans man and three trans women. All absolutely adorable people.

This is why I think the online hatred directed their way is a total pantomime, and a form of radicalisation.

Because they’re not entitled misogynistic bullies and if they did start to get difficult; they’d get slapped down pretty fast by the menz.

Wanting single sex spaces is not radicalisation. I too know perfectly nice transpeople but do not want to be in a women's changing room with a trans woman

Look folk don't have a problem with how others live for the most part - but woman's changing rooms, sports etc should be reserved for natal women

Beat me to it.

So biology to you is just a vague feeling? See, for me it’s more tangible. The only thing all women have in common is biology, the real kind of biology not your new definition.

No she is a biological woman who dresses as a male and you are either a lesbian or straight.
maybe the men she works with don’t care but others would.

Don't be silly.

I'm a trans man.

Came out at 12. Not a great reaction from my Mum (understandably - as an adult I do not support children transitioning).
Came out again at 16. Worse reaction, went back inside.
Came out at 20, lost friends and a family member. Opted to stay in a bit longer.

Eventually came out permanently at 28. Now 35. Just living my life without demanding others live it with me.

It's because fetish and sexual paraphilias are much less common in women than in men. Women don't get sexually aroused by dressing up as men.