Where are the trans men?

[BlueandPinkSwan]

Just that really, we are always hearing about men wanting to 'become women'. Phycially, mentally and emotionally impossible, but why aren't women rushing to do the same thing in reverse?
Just interested to know as I'm gender critical, and hate the patriarcal society we live in.
Is it because men wouldn't accept it as a trans man being part of their tribe but women are forced to put up with trans women invading /trying to enter into woman only spaces?

I was straight until I met my DH - I now consider myself to be bisexual because although my husband presents as male and I am attracted to him as a man, he is biologically female, therefore bisexual.

I don’t think it’s difficult to understand at all?

So your spouse was a trans identifying woman when you met? Or did that come afterwards?

I think it's hard to understand because as much as it's up to you what you want to call yourself, you are married to a woman, therefore you are in a lesbian marriage, which would make you a lesbian.

My BIL is naturally quite feminine for a bloke but that doesn't make my sister a lesbian.

What? No, that doesn't add up. We can only marry one person at a time in the UK so married bisexual people are obviously going to have a spouse of one sex or the other. That might make them frustrated but it doesn't make them not bisexual!

If you're attracted to both sexes, that makes you bisexual. Regardless of what sex you're with at the time.

Surely that's straightforward enough, without any need to bring 'gender identity' into it?

But it sounds like @KaitlynnFairchild wasn’t bisexual until she ended up married to a trans identitfying woman.

Who I am married to doesn’t define my sexuality or does marriage suddenly render you gay or straight?

Very unlikely in reality. A lot of people judge but won't say out loud.
I don't want a man in facilities which are for biological women, end of.

Legally I am married to a man. Legally I have a husband. Call it whatever makes you happy.

You live in the Brighton area. This has probably skewed your perception of how this is perceived in the wider world.

Here are a few difficult issues that arise from allowing people to identify as the opposite to their own sex, which, let's not forget, was absolutely unknown as a concept until very recently:

Sport: most people can see that fairness is absolutely essential in sport. We have separate teams, competitions, records, medals and scholarships for female and male athletes so that the female athletes have some chance of winning and being recognised for their abilities. If they had to compete against male athletes, they would rarely even get into a team or squad, never mind win or break a record. This is because male puberty makes male bodies far more physically powerful than female bodies. Female bodies can do incredible things which male bodies can't do (pregnancy, childbirth, lactation), but because we have to develop and maintain a female reproductive system and for that we need female hormones (oestrogen, progesterone), we end up with smaller heart and lungs, less height, smaller hands and feet, less powerful muscles and wide hips, all of which means we can't run, jump, throw and hit things as powerfully as male athletes. Also, when it comes to contact sports it's physically unsafe for female athletes to compete with male athletes. One trans-identified male will potentially affect many, many female athletes, by putting some of them off altogether, by displacing others from getting a place on a team or a medal.

Prisons: more than 80% of violent crime is committed by males and almost all sexual crime is committed by males. Males with a trans identity retain a male pattern of offending, they don't have a low risk like females. This means that women in prison are very unlikely to be there for a violent offence and vanishingly unlikely to be there for a sexual offence. Research on women prisoners shows that most have experienced domestic and/or sexual abuse. Why should they be locked up with male offenders, who often are there for violent or sexual offences, because the male claims a female identity, in many cases only saying this after arrest?

Rape crisis services and refuges: here we have another group of women and girls who have been through traumatic experiences. Why should they be expected to share a safe space and confide their experiences with males? For many of them, it's known beyond any shadow of a doubt that that would compound the trauma, so a lot of them will just not seek help.

I could go on, but that's enough to start with.

Maybe? Does that matter? Personally I think sexuality is much more fluid than we sometimes acknowledge. Unlike sex which is binary, sexuality does seem more like a spectrum to me, with people who absolutely only ever feel sexual with one sex at the far ends and between them a whole spectrum from "wow, did not expect that!" to "mostly no, but then again.... sometimes yes" to "only in a threesome" to "hell yeah!"

I don't know any transwomen. I know 3 transmen. Transwomen are easier to identify and attack, that's why you hear more about them. Men do accept transmen as men in my experience and have no issue with them being in 'men's spaces'.

Transwomen are easier to identify and attack
That’s quite funny when you consider that it always seems to be trans women carrying placards with pictures of women being hanged/shouting about decapitating TERFS/threatening to piss everywhere or throwing bottles of piss around.

I’m curious. The trans widow I know of told her husband, who wanted to remain married to her despite the fact that he was calling himself a woman and dressing like their teenage DDs (🤮) that she couldn’t be married to him as she wasn’t a lesbian.

Well yeah, they do tend to identify themselves

https://terfisaslur.com

Can I ask a curious question please?

If your husband had to enter the male prisoners showers during the course of the job, would that be allowed?

I know more trans men than trans women.

It's because men are used to having their voices heard and their opinions listened to. Even after they have transed (if that's a word ), they continue to expect to be heard and shout down women such as JK Rowling who challenge them. They want it all, just as they always have.

While not disagreeing with the general point that the ambitions and actions of trans men tend to be less directly abusive of women, I will say the trans man Stephen Whittle has done a huge amount of damage to women's rights and the social acceptance of woman-only provisions.

Yes I was straight- attracted to men.

I met and married my DH, legally defined as a man, however biologically female so I realised I am not as straight as I thought.

Do now I consider myself bi sexual.

Not sure why you are taking it as a point to be discussed, it fits entirely into YOUR narrative that biologically my DH is female. You seem to want me to be disagreeing with you?

Yes, he is treated the same as the other male Prision guards.

in my case its because i socialise in largely LGBTQ+ circles, so yes, a majority of my friends and broader social group are gay, lesbian, trans & non binary.

It doesn't mean they're not a minority, but because i know so many, i'm going to be drawn to the thread.

(edited to fix word repetition)

Thank you for answering.

I wonder if I'm right in assuming then, that biologically male prison guards can enter the showers in a female prison too?

I genuinely thought this wouldn't be allowed.

There are plenty but their voice is irrelevant because they are women.

I am not sure to be honest. DH is legally male so when he joined he joined as a man, his passport is male, his drivers license is male, his hmrc records are male, birth certificate. He had to get a gender recognition certificate for this.

None of his colleagues know he is biologically female. Only one of his higher up managers.