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To ask where I can move that won't have depressing random nutcases and law-exempt criminal youth around every corner

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Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:29

I know it's nice to have a social safety net and I want that but we don't have it now it's just unfunded chaos and the press moaning about public sector workers.

So, Switzerland? Singapore? Where is feasible (in my forties so recognise that I'd need to make a damn good case for myself). Somewhere boring and hardworking with rules and clean streets and a health service you can access and no toleration for the stuff that's everywhere in the UK now.

I am prepared for the answer to be hard cheese you left it too late and now just need to stay indoors as much as poss until the sweet release of death.

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CatRoleplayTycoon · 28/06/2025 11:50

KateMiskin · 26/06/2025 18:16

Frankly all suggestions are pointless if the OP won't list her skills and financial position.

Yes, and the people who post this kind of thing seldom have sought after skills and the appropriate languages for their desired move/time travel to the UK in a magical time when there was no crime or grime.

Donnaitaliana · 28/06/2025 11:51

EvelynBeatrice · 27/06/2025 18:15

I know what you mean. Denmark or Finland, or perhaps Luxembourg?. If you’re wealthy enough or have key skills, it’s possible to move almost anywhere in the world. Otherwise, it can be challenging.

From family experience,Denmark is very clear that if you move there you integrate and conform to their culture or you’re not welcome. Some regard this as racist. I don’t. They have pride in their country and culture and wish to preserve it and not import anti-social attitudes. You will have to learn Danish. There’s an expectation that you will engage and assist in community endeavours. Many people are members of clubs whether sporting or crafts or organising community events.

I agree with the Danish method. I did the same when I moved here from Italy, otherwise what was the point of moving here if you don’t take effort to learn the language?

Fragmentedbrain · 28/06/2025 12:12

LaurieFairyCake · 27/06/2025 16:17

I don’t go out in the evening as I’m older. There’s nothing I want to do in the evening as I’m ready for bed by 8.30. All my activities are daytime and I do LOADS.

I have popped out to the shops 2 minutes away in the evening in winter as it’s dark at 5 and there’s no problems.

there are obviously more problems with younger people being out, hanging around the street, crime etc thrives in the dark. It’s easier for drug dealing.

im not avoiding going out, i just don’t do evening activities SmileGrin

It's pretty annoying that you live a very untypical and restricted life (whether through choice or otherwise) but still try to speak authoritatively about what life is like for typical people!

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CatRoleplayTycoon · 28/06/2025 12:13

Donnaitaliana · 28/06/2025 11:51

I agree with the Danish method. I did the same when I moved here from Italy, otherwise what was the point of moving here if you don’t take effort to learn the language?

I don’t think anyone is objecting to language learning, but it’s not just that in Denmark, from what I gather. I get that the ‘law of Jante’ started off as satirical fiction, but it seems to me to express a genuinely fundamental concept in Danish culture, and one which particularly impacts immigrants who, by their nature, stand out from the crowd. I know a couple of my personal tutees over the last few years have done Erasmus at different Danish universities, and both said that the Law of Jante was presented as part of their orientation!

Fragmentedbrain · 28/06/2025 12:14

CatRoleplayTycoon · 28/06/2025 11:50

Yes, and the people who post this kind of thing seldom have sought after skills and the appropriate languages for their desired move/time travel to the UK in a magical time when there was no crime or grime.

Why would I tell you or @KateMiskin what my skills are?? Trust me I'd be fine on that front and it's not relevant to the discussion.

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Ohwhatfuckeryitistoride · 28/06/2025 12:15

MadameSzyszkoBohusz · 26/06/2025 17:52

Can’t you just move to a nicer bit of the UK? We don’t have any issues like the ones you describe in my area.

Ditto. A few “wilder” young teens, but nothing awful. Don’t hear a peep after 8pm.

KateMiskin · 28/06/2025 12:15

Ok, OP, then go to Singapore, Hong Kong or Tokyo if you have skills and money.

Fragmentedbrain · 28/06/2025 12:16

Crikeyalmighty · 27/06/2025 18:29

@EvelynBeatrice we lived in Copenhagen and yep it’s exactly like that - people don’t seem to be questioning though whether the OP can just move ‘anywhere’ - you won’t be getting into Denmark without an EU passport, company sponsorship or a spectacularly ‘in demand and shortage of skills job -and still need sponsorship’ these days - and if you lose your job they are quick to boot you out too if you are non EU. They have hugely tightened up -

You do know a huge chunk of Brits have EU passports too, I assume.

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cardibach · 28/06/2025 12:17

Fragmentedbrain · 28/06/2025 12:14

Why would I tell you or @KateMiskin what my skills are?? Trust me I'd be fine on that front and it's not relevant to the discussion.

It’s relevant because different countries are looking for different skills in immigrants. You want to know where you can move so what you can offer is very relevant to advice.
However I still think moving within the U.K. is a better bet.

KateMiskin · 28/06/2025 12:17

Oh you have an EU passport. Hugely relevant. Then go to Scandinavia.

CatRoleplayTycoon · 28/06/2025 12:25

Fragmentedbrain · 28/06/2025 12:14

Why would I tell you or @KateMiskin what my skills are?? Trust me I'd be fine on that front and it's not relevant to the discussion.

No one is asking you to provide a list, but the type of person who posts this post, which is very regular on here, is, the vast majority of the time, monoglot in English and without the kind of sought-after skills that might make it feasible for them to get by in English alone in a foreign workplace.

Westfacing · 28/06/2025 12:28

In your OP you mentioned Switzerland - have you been there?

Crikeyalmighty · 28/06/2025 14:24

@Fragmentedbrain yes but the the majority do not by a very long way - so it’s very relevant to ask if people actually have options. If you have an EU passport then fine but it’s easy enough just to say so -

LondonPapa · 28/06/2025 14:26

Fragmentedbrain · 28/06/2025 12:14

Why would I tell you or @KateMiskin what my skills are?? Trust me I'd be fine on that front and it's not relevant to the discussion.

To an extent it is, as you could be recommended a nicer place to move to which is seeking your skills and experience. I stand by Poland, or the Baltics as great places but you’ll need to learn the language of whichever country if you’re to make it. There isn’t an issue getting English speaking senior jobs in Baltics (there is in Poland) within Financial Services (and if EU-citizen, the EU jobs) - you are expected to learn the local language eventually, its attached to the job offer in some cases.

I’ve given you a specific case based on my experience. But your qualifications, skills, and experience may not match the rest of the job market and you may find yourself struggling to find work in the Baltics, or Poland.

dynamiccactus · 28/06/2025 17:03

cardibach · 27/06/2025 18:31

Not in the bit I park in. I’m not bothered by ‘Afghan men’ anyway though. I figure most people from most places are absolutely fine. Plus remember if you are from Afghanistan and in this country, chances are you disapprove of the current leadership there…

but not necessarily the attitudes to women...

cardibach · 28/06/2025 19:02

dynamiccactus · 28/06/2025 17:03

but not necessarily the attitudes to women...

As I said. I haven’t really experienced anything suggesting that, personally. Plus white British men have shit attitudes too in many cases.

Newusernameforthiss · 28/06/2025 19:14

Singapore is immaculate and polite. I bet you'd love it. It is extremely hot and sweaty tho
Switzerland, very tidy, uprtight, the big cities are a bit rough round the stations (like anywhere tbh)
Harrogate
Little village in France/Spain/Italy
Luxembourg is very boring but probably meets your criteria

It's mainly the luck of the draw TBH

Twilightstarbright · 28/06/2025 19:24

if you want the UK thirty years ago then Jersey/Guernsey (slightly tongue in cheek). Both very safe.

Ddakji · 28/06/2025 19:25

cardibach · 28/06/2025 19:02

As I said. I haven’t really experienced anything suggesting that, personally. Plus white British men have shit attitudes too in many cases.

I’m sorry. You’re actually equating British and Afghan men in their attitudes to women?!?!?!!! You know they voted the Taliban in, yes?

cardibach · 28/06/2025 19:41

Ddakji · 28/06/2025 19:25

I’m sorry. You’re actually equating British and Afghan men in their attitudes to women?!?!?!!! You know they voted the Taliban in, yes?

The ones in Afghanistan did. Why do you think the others left?
I didn’t say they were the same, just that white British men have their own issues.
Are you saying there aren’t white British men who think women are property?

Lalaloope · 28/06/2025 21:26

There is also an encouraging tax deal at the moment for new arriving expats

'Migrants'.

There - fixed that. You're not special because you're migrating for a better life to another country, just like every other migrant/immigrant.

Bridgetjonesheart · 28/06/2025 22:35

Dubai. Shallow, vacuous, zero tolerance for others. You’d love it.

Fragmentedbrain · 29/06/2025 09:43

LondonPapa · 28/06/2025 14:26

To an extent it is, as you could be recommended a nicer place to move to which is seeking your skills and experience. I stand by Poland, or the Baltics as great places but you’ll need to learn the language of whichever country if you’re to make it. There isn’t an issue getting English speaking senior jobs in Baltics (there is in Poland) within Financial Services (and if EU-citizen, the EU jobs) - you are expected to learn the local language eventually, its attached to the job offer in some cases.

I’ve given you a specific case based on my experience. But your qualifications, skills, and experience may not match the rest of the job market and you may find yourself struggling to find work in the Baltics, or Poland.

I love Poland and did work there for a while but I don't think I'll ever be good enough at the language to live there

Was pretty pleased I could wow the taxi drivers with the basics by the end😂

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