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To ask where I can move that won't have depressing random nutcases and law-exempt criminal youth around every corner

273 replies

Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:29

I know it's nice to have a social safety net and I want that but we don't have it now it's just unfunded chaos and the press moaning about public sector workers.

So, Switzerland? Singapore? Where is feasible (in my forties so recognise that I'd need to make a damn good case for myself). Somewhere boring and hardworking with rules and clean streets and a health service you can access and no toleration for the stuff that's everywhere in the UK now.

I am prepared for the answer to be hard cheese you left it too late and now just need to stay indoors as much as poss until the sweet release of death.

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Dangermoo · 26/06/2025 17:42

An echo chamber?

Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:43

Dangermoo · 26/06/2025 17:42

An echo chamber?

Just the UK 30 years ago would be fine

I'm too old to care what your politics are I just don't want to look at filth and grime and have random guys lunging at me in the street

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ComtesseDeSpair · 26/06/2025 17:47

We have friends who chose to move to Dubai based on similar reasoning. I’m not in a position to get into a discussion about whether they’ve achieved the happiness they were looking for: I’m a Londoner, very happy amidst the joys and chaos we have here, can’t imagine being happy anywhere else, and their lifestyle wouldn’t be for me in any way.

I’ll assume you’ve looked into whether you have any chance of a relocation to Switzerland, Singapore, or Dubai based on your financial position, skills and qualifications? If you haven’t, that’s where you start: working out where will accept you, rather than pipe dreams.

Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:49

ComtesseDeSpair · 26/06/2025 17:47

We have friends who chose to move to Dubai based on similar reasoning. I’m not in a position to get into a discussion about whether they’ve achieved the happiness they were looking for: I’m a Londoner, very happy amidst the joys and chaos we have here, can’t imagine being happy anywhere else, and their lifestyle wouldn’t be for me in any way.

I’ll assume you’ve looked into whether you have any chance of a relocation to Switzerland, Singapore, or Dubai based on your financial position, skills and qualifications? If you haven’t, that’s where you start: working out where will accept you, rather than pipe dreams.

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Id genuinely forgotten about Dubai. I don't think I could handle the Emirates.

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Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:50

I think it's just the expense and sadness. I don't mind paying a fortune in tax if it gives a safe and clean environment. Maybe the scandi countries are the answer.

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MadameSzyszkoBohusz · 26/06/2025 17:52

Can’t you just move to a nicer bit of the UK? We don’t have any issues like the ones you describe in my area.

ComtesseDeSpair · 26/06/2025 17:53

Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:50

I think it's just the expense and sadness. I don't mind paying a fortune in tax if it gives a safe and clean environment. Maybe the scandi countries are the answer.

Well, would the scandi countries want you? Do you speak the languages? Know their cultures? Have the skills they’re in need of? Broadly, any receiving country is interested in what you are offering them, not the other way around. “Not minding” paying a fortune in tax, only works if you have will have the base to pay that fortune in tax from.

steff13 · 26/06/2025 17:54

You could buy island. I just saw one for sale in Scotland.

Apparently Tokyo is the safest city in the world. Although, Toronto was number six on the list and when I was there last summer there were stories on the news about teenagers shooting tow truck drivers because of some sort of "war" between the recovery agencies. So even in a really safe city you still have juvenile delinquents apparently.

KateMiskin · 26/06/2025 17:56

To emigrate anywhere now is very tough unless you have special skills.
What languages do you speak and what skills do you offer?

Nichebitch · 26/06/2025 17:56

I lived in Switzerland and it’s a paradise - subsequently, very difficult to move to, unless you’re a highly skilled worker with experience in finance related services. It’s a tiny country and they will not let many in!
I think nordics is your best bet. Completely get where you’re coming from

KateMiskin · 26/06/2025 17:57

Singapore is putting its own citizens first for jobs, like most of the world.

Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:57

MadameSzyszkoBohusz · 26/06/2025 17:52

Can’t you just move to a nicer bit of the UK? We don’t have any issues like the ones you describe in my area.

I live in supposedly the nicest city in the UK. Whenever people say "I never see that" I assume they drive everywhere.

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elastamum · 26/06/2025 18:00

We have just come back from Norway. It's fabulous. Beautiful, clean, great infrastructure, lovely people, no litter, and no fast food either. However it is cold and dark for pretty much half the year and not surprisingly it's very difficult for a foreigner to move there.

womanbornn · 26/06/2025 18:00

where do you live op? There are so many beautiful, calm, safe areas of the UK you couls move to

Itallcomesdowntothis · 26/06/2025 18:00

steff13 · 26/06/2025 17:54

You could buy island. I just saw one for sale in Scotland.

Apparently Tokyo is the safest city in the world. Although, Toronto was number six on the list and when I was there last summer there were stories on the news about teenagers shooting tow truck drivers because of some sort of "war" between the recovery agencies. So even in a really safe city you still have juvenile delinquents apparently.

Sure but Toronto is still an exceptionally safe city and a few articles isn’t the whole picture (I grew up in Canada so know very well.).

Which brings me to Canada - small towns can be nice, clean, universal healthcare and English speaking.

MidnightPatrol · 26/06/2025 18:01

Anywhere v expensive tends not to have the depressing random nutcases and law-exempt criminal youth.

How deep are your pockets? Parts of London meet this brief tbh, if you’ve got a few million to spend.

thornbury · 26/06/2025 18:02

Don't go to Dubai, its too busy, too crowded, too stressful, too competitive. You're much better off in Abu Dhabi. Last year it was named the world's safest and most liveable city, and having spent 3 years here I can see why.

verycloakanddaggers · 26/06/2025 18:03

Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:57

I live in supposedly the nicest city in the UK. Whenever people say "I never see that" I assume they drive everywhere.

I walk everywhere and rarely see what you describe. I live in a nice but also ordinary place.

There are crimes and fights and assaults in every country in the world, but my area is not what you describe.

Is there scope to get involved with something positive in your local area? It might be your mindset rather than your location that would benefit from a shift.

KateMiskin · 26/06/2025 18:03

I live in central London and nobody has ever lunged at me. I probably look too poor to rob.

Swssa · 26/06/2025 18:04

Singapore, Dubai, Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia

KateMiskin · 26/06/2025 18:05

Saudi Arabia?

CurlewKate · 26/06/2025 18:06

I was going to suggest The Vatican-but on second thoughts….

skippy67 · 26/06/2025 18:10

London.

VenusClapTrap · 26/06/2025 18:12

Scandiland definitely. Dd(15) has already decided she’s moving to Norway as soon as possible, and has been teaching herself Norwegian for a solid three years now. I thought it was a passing fad but she’s deadly serious.

Dittousername · 26/06/2025 18:12

Luxembourg is good. There is also an encouraging tax deal at the moment for new arriving expats, there’s free transport, clean, safe, virtually no anti social behaviour, also not too far from Uk and nicely positioned for exploring other countries. English widely spoken. High standard of living.

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