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AIBU?

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To ask where I can move that won't have depressing random nutcases and law-exempt criminal youth around every corner

273 replies

Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:29

I know it's nice to have a social safety net and I want that but we don't have it now it's just unfunded chaos and the press moaning about public sector workers.

So, Switzerland? Singapore? Where is feasible (in my forties so recognise that I'd need to make a damn good case for myself). Somewhere boring and hardworking with rules and clean streets and a health service you can access and no toleration for the stuff that's everywhere in the UK now.

I am prepared for the answer to be hard cheese you left it too late and now just need to stay indoors as much as poss until the sweet release of death.

OP posts:
Profpudding · 26/06/2025 18:14

skippy67 · 26/06/2025 18:10

London.

Er really?

MaryTheTurtle · 26/06/2025 18:14

Wherever you go there’ll be issues
Why let it worry you

BunnyLake · 26/06/2025 18:14

Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:43

Just the UK 30 years ago would be fine

I'm too old to care what your politics are I just don't want to look at filth and grime and have random guys lunging at me in the street

If you can afford it I would recommend Switzerland. It has been a couple of decades since I lived there but I would go back in a heartbeat if I had the money. Yes it’s a very reserved country and not the life and soul but it’s clean and very civilised (for the most part). And of course beautiful.

KateMiskin · 26/06/2025 18:16

Frankly all suggestions are pointless if the OP won't list her skills and financial position.

BunnyLake · 26/06/2025 18:17

Nichebitch · 26/06/2025 17:56

I lived in Switzerland and it’s a paradise - subsequently, very difficult to move to, unless you’re a highly skilled worker with experience in finance related services. It’s a tiny country and they will not let many in!
I think nordics is your best bet. Completely get where you’re coming from

We are Swiss twins 😊😊 I love it too.

Bikergran · 26/06/2025 18:18

Just move to a better area. Still cheaper than moving abroad. My street is clean (because we don't litter, and people keep the area round their own house clean). It is quiet and friendly with no antisocial behaviour. Yes, it's expensive, but I bet it's cheaper than Switzerland.

Meadowfinch · 26/06/2025 18:18

I think you are being over dramatic. Plenty of small towns and villages in the UK would meet your requirements OP.

I've lived in a rural village for 14 years. So far no obvious crime, and the only neighbour dispute has been two old ladies making snide comments at each other over a gate.

The local youth has contented itself with putting a traffic cone on the village hall roof, the odd bit of graffiti and overturning the grit bin, which has now been concreted down.

We have a gp where an appt is normally within a week, and an NHS dentist (although not sure if they are accepting new patients). I go for a run after dark in spring & autumn, most weeks without issue.

We have a bunch of volunteers who run a youth club and assorted events, look after the allotments and sort any fly tipping plus a litter pick twice a year. A community association that raises funds, nags the council about pot holes and ensures road signs are clear.

NowYouSee · 26/06/2025 18:19

I read your OP and though Abu Dhabi. Not for me but people I know there rave about the safety aspect being a big draw.

Meadowfinch · 26/06/2025 18:21

Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:57

I live in supposedly the nicest city in the UK. Whenever people say "I never see that" I assume they drive everywhere.

Don't live in a city.

BunnyLake · 26/06/2025 18:21

Bikergran · 26/06/2025 18:18

Just move to a better area. Still cheaper than moving abroad. My street is clean (because we don't litter, and people keep the area round their own house clean). It is quiet and friendly with no antisocial behaviour. Yes, it's expensive, but I bet it's cheaper than Switzerland.

If Switzerland is off the cards due to money, skills, language (they don’t speak English the way Scandi countries do) what about somewhere in Devon or Dorset? Research the best towns and crime rates in those counties as they are worth thinking about.

It would help to know your budget and lifestyle.

BunnyLake · 26/06/2025 18:25

Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:50

I think it's just the expense and sadness. I don't mind paying a fortune in tax if it gives a safe and clean environment. Maybe the scandi countries are the answer.

Norway is often voted best place to live. There are some areas I’ve seen on TV that are absolutely stunning but I don’t know about cities and towns.

CrescentMoonLanding · 26/06/2025 18:25

Yanbu if you've had awful experiences OP. And the safety net is in tatters in the UK in many ways.

pumicepumy · 26/06/2025 18:25

Luxembourg is good. There is also an encouraging tax deal at the moment for new arriving expats,

That's interesting, with the ageing population issues in the West and the increased need for young skilled workers I think we will see more countries doing similar.

LucyMonth · 26/06/2025 18:29

Do you happen to be a millionaire?

If so, Monaco with a holiday home in Switzerland? That’s what my FIL does. You don’t need any special skills or to speak the language if you are very rich. Money talks everywhere.

Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 18:30

Bikergran · 26/06/2025 18:18

Just move to a better area. Still cheaper than moving abroad. My street is clean (because we don't litter, and people keep the area round their own house clean). It is quiet and friendly with no antisocial behaviour. Yes, it's expensive, but I bet it's cheaper than Switzerland.

You can't just stay "in my area" 24/7 though can you.

OP posts:
steff13 · 26/06/2025 18:44

Itallcomesdowntothis · 26/06/2025 18:00

Sure but Toronto is still an exceptionally safe city and a few articles isn’t the whole picture (I grew up in Canada so know very well.).

Which brings me to Canada - small towns can be nice, clean, universal healthcare and English speaking.

I said Toronto is very safe city did I not? My point was that even safe places can still have their problems, if that was not clear.

LlynTegid · 26/06/2025 18:46

Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:49

Id genuinely forgotten about Dubai. I don't think I could handle the Emirates.

Richard Tice lives there and that is enough argument not to go there, never mind the laws regarding same sex relationships.

Tofana · 26/06/2025 18:47

New Zealand would be where I’d be headed. Auckland.

I want to live somewhere clean and safe with friendly people who aren't intrusive, riddled with antisocial behaviour or scummy racists. (Im not a person of colour by the by, I have recently however had a few run ins with local idiots using vile language towards people of colour. Context incase anybody thought I was personally experiencing racism, Im not, I am concerned that I might punch a local tosser who speaks loudly around a lovely mum who is Muslim about how Tommy Robinson is right about everything but besides making me worried that I’ll one day get arrested, Im good!)
Anyhoo. Ideally somewhere scenic, lots of walks and nice cafes, nice restaurants and lots of places for children to explore, safely.
But I also have about twenty quid to my name and I’m terrifically under qualified and lack skills to make any serious life changing money.
That all said, I took my DC to Blackpool last year and one of my beautiful, innocent children said, “you must need to be Elon Musk to afford a house here” and he truly meant it. To him, it was absolutely magical. I suppose everywhere is what you can make of it.

But if any of those MNs earning a billion pound an hour, uses one organic chicken to feed 30 people and who aren't planning on leaving their 6’4 twin sons their money because they’re already too wealthy, if you fancy sending my family to Auckland, my inbox is always open.

mbosnz · 26/06/2025 18:51

Much as I love my home country, I don't think OP would cope terribly well with NZ. We do have at least our share of homeless with addiction and behavioural issues, people are forever bemoaning how the justice system is too lenient, and lamenting that social and racial issues are taken into account when sentencing. Tagging is definitely an issue. Less litter though.

mbosnz · 26/06/2025 18:52

And definitely our share of scummy racists, sadly.

Swssa · 26/06/2025 18:53

LlynTegid · 26/06/2025 18:46

Richard Tice lives there and that is enough argument not to go there, never mind the laws regarding same sex relationships.

Edited

It's a Muslim country. What would you expect? For them to legally allow something their religion sees a major sin?

I think saying "one person we dislike lives there so don't go" is a bit childish. He's a man who takes his job as an MP very seriously.

BoredZelda · 26/06/2025 18:53

Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:43

Just the UK 30 years ago would be fine

I'm too old to care what your politics are I just don't want to look at filth and grime and have random guys lunging at me in the street

I was 20. Those things were definitely a thing 30 years ago.

You should move to Malmö. Except they probably wouldn’t let you in.

lechatnoir · 26/06/2025 18:56

MadameSzyszkoBohusz · 26/06/2025 17:52

Can’t you just move to a nicer bit of the UK? We don’t have any issues like the ones you describe in my area.

Was just about to say the same. Love where I live - Don’t think twice about walking home from town at night, streets aren’t noticeably filthy lots of green space and people are generally very polite & civilised.

Primrose86 · 26/06/2025 18:56

Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:29

I know it's nice to have a social safety net and I want that but we don't have it now it's just unfunded chaos and the press moaning about public sector workers.

So, Switzerland? Singapore? Where is feasible (in my forties so recognise that I'd need to make a damn good case for myself). Somewhere boring and hardworking with rules and clean streets and a health service you can access and no toleration for the stuff that's everywhere in the UK now.

I am prepared for the answer to be hard cheese you left it too late and now just need to stay indoors as much as poss until the sweet release of death.

I am Singaporean and private healthcare in london is cheaper for me to access than the private healfhcare in singapore which all the foreigners have to use.

TheyreLikeUsButRichAndThin · 26/06/2025 18:57

Fragmentedbrain · 26/06/2025 17:57

I live in supposedly the nicest city in the UK. Whenever people say "I never see that" I assume they drive everywhere.

What, Liverpool? Do you have to be in a city? We have none of what you have written in your OP - haven’t seen an antisocial lout for a long time and our NHS is outstanding (by NHS standards of course).