To hope that Trump gets his Nobel Peace Prize?

[OhShutUpThomas]

I do not like anything about the man.

BUT, he is clearly after peace. I think he wants peace for two reasons; one, to enable more golf time, and two, to win a Nobel Peace Prize.
I don’t think the reason is because he is super kind and thoughtful or anything.

I think that his odd and unpredictable behaviour is starting to make other world leaders afraid of him (not to be confused with respect).
When others say ‘don’t do this or we will sanction you’ he says ‘don’t break your nuclear rules or I’ll bomb you’ and then proceeds to actually do so without delay.

This strange, autocratic, narcissistic style will either lead to huge issues, or might just be crazy enough to make other tyrants think twice about how they act. Enabling more time for golf.

I probably haven’t explained it very well. But his actions, whatever we think of them, have pretty much stopped the fledgling Israel/Iran war in its tracks. I wonder how long it would have gone on with nothing but disapproving glances and aid from the western world.

To reiterate: I don’t like Trump, I don’t think he’s right, but I do have to wonder whether his slightly unhinged leadership style might not scare the rest of the world into behaving a bit better.

YABU - I am talking rubbish
YANBU - I don’t like it either, but you might have a point

Nothing says I am for peace like the song his account posted on truth social with the lyrics going to turn Iran into a parking lot and went to a mosque going to throw some rocks.

very peaceful

He deserves nothing of the sort. All he has brought is chaos. The man is a convicted felon with links to Epstein, to name but two of his issues. He is a malicious vindictive man. He does nothing for the good of others and is probably receiving some sort of payback for backing Israel and Putin. There are many, many others out there deserving of a Peace Prize but that should never be put in the same sentence as his name.

What peace has he achieved? I must have missed it if he has.🙄

Trump doesn’t need to make any more time for golf! He plays most mornings according to Michael Wolff’s recent biography All or Nothing. Yes Trump wants the Nobel Peace Prize, but that’s more for narcissistic reasons - surely someone who genuinely wanted to do something to promote peace wouldn’t be angling for the NPP at the same time. As for his actions, intentionally hobbling Ukraine, the victim, by cutting off funding and intelligence, giving the aggressor the upper hand, is only going to encourage further aggression from Putin. Also, Trump’s use of 14 of the world’s most powerful conventional weapons as a show of force is not peaceful. In his previous term Trump withdrew from the JPCOA, that was keeping Iran’s nuclear ambitions monitored and in check, and was until recently trying to negotiate a new treaty that would serve the very same purpose. But of course the Iranian’s can’t trust him because of his rash withdrawal from the previous JCPOA. Now no one knows where Iran’s enriched uranium is. It may only take Iran months to create a crude rocket-based nuclear weapon or even a dirty bomb. The Iran crisis has nowhere near played out yet, so let’s see where we are by the end of Trump’s term - we may well see a nuclear armed Iran and an even more perilous and less peaceful Middle East by then.

So, basically, you think he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for being a bully…

He doesn't want peace, he doesn't give a shit.

What he gives a shit about is saying the things he thinks people want to hear, and everyone knows 'wanting world peace' is one of the things you're supposed to say - thats why every beauty pageant entrant says it...

By your reckoning, we should all get a Nobel Peace Prize because we all want peace.

Trump wants what is best for Trump.
Trump wants everyone to believe Trump is the bestest, greatest, at everything.
Trump is not pretending to be stupid, he truly believes he is the bestest, greatest, and that people either believe this or are wrong.

A NPP would just fuel Trumps belief that he is awesome and can do no wrong, all his actions are justified, and that he can do exactly as he pleases.

Not necessarily anything. Trump admires Putin because Putin runs the show. Putin eliminates his enemies via poison or prison, or both. That is how Trump would like to run America. He is doing a pretty good job of eliminating critics via law suits and political intimidation. Next will be prison.

Milo is right on. Precise. Trump actually does not know or care who started the Russia-Ukraine war. Such details bore him. His attack on Zelensky demonstrated Trump's ignorance and demonstrated that Trump is emotionally a 7th or 8th grader.

I have a couple of thoughts about this. Firstly he doesn’t genuinely want peace, as you’ve said. The only reason he wants the Nobel Peace Prize is because Obama, having won it, is living rent free in The Orange Man’s head. That in itself, isn’t an immediate reason why he shouldn’t get it, but he would do better if he had a more principled reason for winning it. Secondly, and more problematically, the only method he seems to have for persuading others is bullying and intimidation. You see that in his style of government, which he is perfecting in his second term. But unfortunately, as many online commentators have pointed out, that just doesn’t work with international relations. If you look at attempts to win wars recently, examples like Afghanistan and Iraq show that you generally don’t win peace just by use of brute force. Similarly, he hasn’t been able to bully Putin into ending the Ukraine war (which he is now starting to acknowledge). Partly because Putin is a much bigger bully. I think Iran, Israel has stopped for now, but to suggest that he’s ended that conflict is probably a bit premature.

In politics I think leaders often feel they are more memorable or successful if they've navigated a war. It is easy to be praised for making peace when you made the war in the first place.

I am reminded of Mr Birling saying "The Germans don't want war" when Priestley's audience had been through two WW with the Germans since the time the play is set. Saying "Trump doesn't want war" is to misjudge his motives. To want war purely to prove yourself a candidate for peace is a twisted worldview in my opinion. And there are people on MN who fear WW3 as a result.

pollymere:

It is called "wag the dog." A leader creates a war and suddenly criticism of both the war and other matters is very unlikely. Criticism is seen as unpatriotic. Ronald Reagan had the stupid invasion of an island (Grenada?). Thatcher had the Falklands. Bush II stupidly invaded Iraq under entirely false pretenses. Putin's invasion of Ukraine is different. Criticism of Putin is already an offense. He is trying to recreate the Soviet Union. The first three examples I gave are stupid. Putin is a monster that must be stopped.

he thinks he can bully people into peace agreements. Lasting peace will not result from bullying.

He is accomplishing exactly nothing. All the world leaders know he is a phony and Putin is playing him. The first thing every world leader does when meeting Trump is compliment him. Now Trump is your patsy. Trump is incapable of making any kind of "deal" unless there is a monetary benefit to Trump.

I hope he get what he deserves. A prison sentence along with his mate Netanyahu. They would be fitting awards.

Don't forget Putin. Put the three of them in adjoining cells.

Nah, I want them all put into a fight pit in a secret location. They can iron out their differences there. Sell tickets for a live viewing and everyone would watch.

He is not interested in peace. He's a pirate and is only after the minerals within those countries.
It's all about money.

And oil. Soon his own country will start to turn against him.

Agree with you totally, and he accused President Zelenski of starting the aggression with Russia and risking WW3. Nothing peaceful or nice about the man. Big mouth as US has big Army but surely no one in US will sit back when he refuses to go once his last term of office comes around, as he probably will. We have had some really bad leaders, but once their term of office is up they go, if they haven't already resigned before then. Trump hangs on like a toddler clinging to the sides of their highchair refusing to get out. He is truly mad as he believes that he is the "best" in the World.

Is this a fucking joke?

This was meant in answer to @tommyhoundmum - for some reason never ended up in a quote.

I bet the MAGA lot won't.

But yes, I wish they'd given him his fucking Star of the Week peace prize if it had prevented his war mongering. I'm sure it wouldn't have though.

They might if their cost of living continues to rise.

The Nobel Peace prize had already been awarded if not published before he started whining. Unfortunately, they gave it to Obama before he achieved anything so it's hardly surprising Trump thinks he should have it too. Eventually, it will lose all its status if it is awarded to Trump.