To hope that Trump gets his Nobel Peace Prize?

[OhShutUpThomas]

I do not like anything about the man.

BUT, he is clearly after peace. I think he wants peace for two reasons; one, to enable more golf time, and two, to win a Nobel Peace Prize.
I don’t think the reason is because he is super kind and thoughtful or anything.

I think that his odd and unpredictable behaviour is starting to make other world leaders afraid of him (not to be confused with respect).
When others say ‘don’t do this or we will sanction you’ he says ‘don’t break your nuclear rules or I’ll bomb you’ and then proceeds to actually do so without delay.

This strange, autocratic, narcissistic style will either lead to huge issues, or might just be crazy enough to make other tyrants think twice about how they act. Enabling more time for golf.

I probably haven’t explained it very well. But his actions, whatever we think of them, have pretty much stopped the fledgling Israel/Iran war in its tracks. I wonder how long it would have gone on with nothing but disapproving glances and aid from the western world.

To reiterate: I don’t like Trump, I don’t think he’s right, but I do have to wonder whether his slightly unhinged leadership style might not scare the rest of the world into behaving a bit better.

YABU - I am talking rubbish
YANBU - I don’t like it either, but you might have a point

He's using American troops against his own people. But yes, I also hope he wins, because it may expose the Nobel Peace Prize for the amoral racket it is.

"I mean, if diplomacy and polite ‘oh gosh fellows please don’t, can’t we all get on, what?’ hasn’t worked in the Middle East (and it hasn’t), then maybe a swift kick in the chops might."

What part of it is working?
What about the world feels more peaceful than it did in January?

Yes, let’s not forget that he owes damages to the woman he sexually assaulted and that his name was in Epstein’s black book!!!

"he says ‘don’t break your nuclear rules or I’ll bomb you"

"his arrogance, vanity and desire for acclaim is leading him to vigorously pursue (in his own way) peace."

These are all very well until his arrogance, vanity, desire for acclaim and his bombs are vigorously aimed at you.

If and when he turns his attention to us/you will you still think a NPP might be a nice little addition to his trophy cabinet?

The trouble with Trump is that he's deranged. His peace and his fairness don't necessarily tally with a thinking person's version of peace and fairness.

Trump is at least trying to stop the Ukraine war, failing to do so so far, but unlike Biden who funded it for 3 years Trump is going all out to stop it. 6500 deaths a day there... The Western left are quite happy with all those dead and want it to keep going indefinitely, Trump isn't happy with it and wants the meat grinder to stop... I agree with him. Even here in the UK our Labour party created a dodgy dossier to take us into a false war to kill 500,000... the left do not like peace anywhere.

Zelensky was humiliated (I don't agree with that at all, I see Z as a hero) because he came to the table asking for more money with no plan for peace. Again Trump doesn't want the war dragging on anymore so he let rip. Unfair I agree but he wants the war ended and wants to see those involved moving in that direction.

Biden wouldn't allow Israel to take out Iran's nuclear facilities, Trump has. This has saved the world a huge death toll down stream by preventing Iran getting nukes as their stated aim is to use them against Israel and the West. The Iranian regime wants YOU dead and Trump/Israel have just delayed or put that off indefinitely!

Trump isn't funding any of the actual genocides going on in Africa, China etc so no idea what you're on about there.

Basically Trump is trying to shut down wars so yes if he pulls it off he should get the Peace Prize. Obama got one on day one having achieved nothing.

Supposedly credulous people like OP are how the misogynistic arsehole Trump gets away with it.

Not that I believe they are here in good faith.

Sometimes I think about the fact that we are not even a quarter of our way through his term, and that is such a deeply depressing thought.

Ah yes

Let's give an PEACE prize to the man who sides with the aggressor, uses a man's funeral as a way to get good "optics", bombs without seeking advice about if its a good idea (it wasn't) and it committing multiple human rights violations in his own country

Brilliant idea

This is the equivalent of giving the Krays an award for their contribution to crime prevention.

@Zebedee999you think the man that thinks all the Palestinians living on the Gaza Strip should be displaced should get a Nobel Peace Prize? Would you like to be displaced from your home? What about that says peace to you?

Obama got one on day one having achieved nothing.

Day one you know...🤣

No need for bingo tonight - got a full house on here.

Given previous winners of the prize, he probably should get it.

(Honestly look at the list. It's depressing)

He does not want peace. He wants peace prize. He does not care about not thought through the “peace” proposals. Did you actually read and understand what he was proposing Ukraine agree to? Thus after both USA and Russia broke agreements already out in place years ago? Trump cannot be trusted. He is not out there doing things in the best interest of anyone but himself (he want glory) or satisfying the top 1% in USA or Christian nationalists fan base.

What happened January 6th should be enough to stop him getting a “peace” prize.

add to that calling in the military to act against citizens and over state governor’s instructions is another act against peace.

you also do realise his bombing of Iran did not go through the correct process and is now enough to start impeachment process?

He wants to leave a legacy. Be it positive or negative. He'd burn the whole world down to make it into the history books.

If he accidentally does some good whilst aiming for that, well, that's something. But make no mistake, he does not want peace, he doesn't give a fuck about anything or anyone, all he cares about is securing his legacy. The odious fucknut.

@OhShutUpThomas
Like you, I dislike Trump intensely. And especially hate the way he’s behaved towards Zelensky, his own people and Europe and most of all the Palestinians. So he doesn’t deserve a prize..,
HOWEVER … his recent anger against Iran, and then at Israel - a metaphorical knocking their heads together - did seem to do the trick. Did he do this with India and Pakistan too? It hasn’t worked with Russia over Ukraine. But I get what you’re saying - the fact he is so unpredictable and not scared to use the force of the US army, this may make other tyrants more wary?

and like you - I’m trying always to be open minded to all sides x

Yep

'I mean, if diplomacy and polite ‘oh gosh fellows please don’t, can’t we all get on, what?’ hasn’t worked in the Middle East (and it hasn’t), then maybe a swift kick in the chops might.'

This is a very far from accurate summation of the last few decades of diplomacy in the Middle East.

Part of the issue, really, is that the geopolitical landscape of the Middle East over the last 100 years is hugely complex. Most people don't understand it except in very simplistic terms, and that can make Trump's brand of seeking to will solutions into existence simply by shouting about them in very basic terms seem attractive.

If he gets it, it should be renamed, Peace, by any means necessary, prize.

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Bombing to achieve world peace is like solving world hunger by starving all the hungry people to death so they’re not hungry any more.

It’s like saying the Taliban is a peaceful regime because they just murder anyone who doesn’t agree, so everyone agrees, so it’s practically a democracy.

You do realise Trump wasn't even president when the current Israel/Hamas war kicked off, it was Biden! You do also realise it was the Gazans who chose to invade Israel and rape / kill women and kids.. it wasn't Trump!

The blame for the predicament the Palestinians face is squarely at the door of the Palestinians.

The Nobel prize for peace is a bit of a joke in any case, given some of the past recipients, like former terrorist Begin or thieving terrorist Arafat who embezzled millions stolen from the Palestinians, or that cruel sociopath Mother Theresa.

@Zebedee999 The Palestinian people are not the same as Hamas. What Hamas did to Israel was unjustifiable, but Israel's response has been disproportionate. This is not a black and white conflict.

No it isn’t. It’s at the door of Hamas.