To hope that Trump gets his Nobel Peace Prize?

[OhShutUpThomas]

I do not like anything about the man.

BUT, he is clearly after peace. I think he wants peace for two reasons; one, to enable more golf time, and two, to win a Nobel Peace Prize.
I don’t think the reason is because he is super kind and thoughtful or anything.

I think that his odd and unpredictable behaviour is starting to make other world leaders afraid of him (not to be confused with respect).
When others say ‘don’t do this or we will sanction you’ he says ‘don’t break your nuclear rules or I’ll bomb you’ and then proceeds to actually do so without delay.

This strange, autocratic, narcissistic style will either lead to huge issues, or might just be crazy enough to make other tyrants think twice about how they act. Enabling more time for golf.

I probably haven’t explained it very well. But his actions, whatever we think of them, have pretty much stopped the fledgling Israel/Iran war in its tracks. I wonder how long it would have gone on with nothing but disapproving glances and aid from the western world.

To reiterate: I don’t like Trump, I don’t think he’s right, but I do have to wonder whether his slightly unhinged leadership style might not scare the rest of the world into behaving a bit better.

YABU - I am talking rubbish
YANBU - I don’t like it either, but you might have a point

Not being unreasonable at all. I am also absolutely no fan, but he oversaw the Abraham Accords, and his no-nonsense approach with Iran appears to work. We forget that the ME doesn't speak the same military language as us in the West, but he is speaking volumes there. Thank you, Trump!

Just popping on the thread to remind you he started a violent insurrection in his own country to try and forcibly overturn the results of an election (after his racketeering attempts had failed).

Nice guy

Nothing that man does is because peace and peoples well-being are his priorities.

Why do you think he was so invested in stopping Israel attacking Iran? Oil give you a second to think about it.

Even his own advisors and the IAEA said that Israels claim was false. The "war" was bogus. Another show of Israel disgusting aggression. All eyes off Gaza for the 2 weeks too where they continued to kill innocent people just queuing for food in their hundreds.

Wake up, this is a shit show and he is in the middle of it .

YANBU to wonder. It’s bizarre, but sometimes it feels like his sheer unpredictability puts certain leaders on edge. Not because they respect him—because they genuinely don’t know what he’ll do next. That said, a Nobel’s a stretch. Feels less like peace and more like everyone holding their breath. He makes me so nervous about what’s next and how people and countries will react

YABVVVU - he doesn't want peace, he wants acclaim.

He pulled out of the treaty in 2016 which was working and this time he ran on a platform of isolationism and a promise not to involve the US in another Middle East war.

Despite this he decided to drop a shed load of bombs on Iran after seeing all the plaudits Fox News were giving to Israel for their bombing campaign and wanting a piece of that.

He did it illegally as there was no immediate danger to the US and only Congress have the power to authorise the action. Most experts believe that it has only set Iran's nuclear programme back a few months.

The former top nuclear negotiator for the EU has stated that its more than likely guaranteed that Iran will develop a bomb after being screwed over twice following diplomatic negotiations and it is entirely possible that Russia will actually give Iran some warheads.

Far from achieving peace he's actually pushed to world a lot closer to nuclear war just to try and satisfy his own narcissistic need for approval.

He shouldn't get a Nobel peace prize, he should get a one way ticket to a cell in the Hague!

If you give a bully what they want they don’t just happily leave you alone, they come back for more. He doesn’t want world peace, he wants to rule the world. Temporary peace may be useful on the way, but it’s not the end goal. To go with me favourite game of thrones quote: he would see the world burn if he could be king of its ashes (or words to that effect)

This is a wildly optimistic view. On the one hand you are right that everyone else is going WTF?! On the other, it's making the world overall MUCH more unstable and risks other nut jobs deciding to strike first and then where do we go from there? The US's role as world referee was precisely to keep those attitudes in check. We would have been bombed into oblivion at least twice (Cuban Missile Crisis and the lesser known Archer incident in the 80s) if JFK and Reagan had been Trump.

US intelligence has said the strikes in Iran did not destroy their nuclear sites. So of course, Trump says "they're wrong". The media reports on what US intelligence has said, so Trump calls them "scum". What exactly are you thanking him for?

It's the other way round. He wants a peace prize, so therefore he wants to bring about 'peace' - in some form - as his route to getting that. It's always about credit and praise for himself, first and foremost. He wants the Nobel Peace Prize because Obama got one and he is obsessed with outdoing Obama on every possible score.

I think he has escalted both wars and possibly set ww3 in motion...

Mm his wild behaviour did halt the Israel/Iran war but remember Trump started it in the first place. But I take your point!

It helps when you realise everything is just people making shit up.

The whole lot, countries, borders, currencies. Everything, all completely made up nonsense.

Let go of any idea that any of this has to make sense, that there is any safety or sanity, and you can stand back and watch the show. We are all fucked anyway.

And if there is one thing you can say for Trump. He puts on a hell of a show.

YABU. I tried to type a reasoned argument but I am just lost for words.

On the surface, it may appear that Trump has “won” this battle—but has he? Estimates are that the attack on Saturday set Iran’s nuclear quest back by 3 months.

Iran is not stupid enough to engage in full-scale war with the US military. I would be very surprised if Iran just sits back and accepts the US attack. I would not be surprised to see Iranian attacks coming further down the line—not bombs, rather terrorist-style attacks on US citizens in the coming years; perhaps an attack on a water plant in a US city, for example.

I believe the payback is coming, and it was very short-sighted of Trump—all for an estimated 3 month delay and a show of what a big man he is. He is very naïve indeed.

26% believe Trump deserves the peace prize? Really?

sorry don't agree... who started this latest outburst in nniddle east? ummm...someone who took hostages...and didn't send them back all alive or even traded one person for lots of known terroists who were imprisoned not for playing cards but for hurting others...doesn't make either side right but it does give context. Oh and one side looks after ALL peoples. The other side threatens to kill you if you don't agree with them. So it hardly looks fair and equitable peace deal from where I'm sitting.

Yeah.

There are fragments of kids (arms, headless torso etc, all in vivid display for the world to see) being picked up by relatives on the ground after the latest explosion in Gaza via the indiscimante bombing by Israel, and the fat orange lump is supporting this.

Fuck him to hell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war

Gives context?? Have you any idea what Israel have been doing in Palestine for the last 75 years. Why don't you educate yourself if you actually want context.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war

For some reason MN won't allow a UN image of a dead baby being held by a doctor in Gaza. That baby is one of over 55,000 people who have been murdered by the Israeli state since 7th October, a massacre funded and armed by the white settler state america.

Trump is a cunt.

His nomination by Ukraine's Oleksandr Merezhko has been withdrawn because the nominating committee says that Trump did not follow through non his promises and therefore ended up making the situation worse rather than better.

His nomination by the USA's Buddy Carter for his role in the recent conflict between Iran and Israel has drawn some criticism as the immediate aftermath is as yet unclear (it appears that whatever ceasefire existed has not held, and Carter is accused of jumping the gun so that he could be seem to be the first of his cohort of US Republican lawmakers to nominate Trump).

Oh, and he's still nominated for his role in brokering peace between Pakistan and India, which is controversial because India's President Modi says that he didn't play a role.

Trump himself says he doesn't care about the prize and when his closest competition is a former child celebutante turned professional shitstirrer, who could care? Just give it to David Attenborough; he's the only one of the top several choices who's at least sone minimal harm (as far as we know).

I will have whatever you are on.

YABVVVU - he doesn't want peace, he wants acclaim.

But that’s exactly what I said?? He ‘wants’ peace, but only because he wants the prize. That acclaim is what is motivating him.

It's the other way round. He wants a peace prize, so therefore he wants to bring about 'peace' - in some form - as his route to getting that. It's always about credit and praise for himself, first and foremost.

Again, exactly what I said.

26% believe Trump deserves the peace prize? Really?

I don’t think anyone has said anything about him deserving the NPP.

My point, which seems to have been lost on some, is that I believe his arrogance, vanity and desire for acclaim is leading him to vigorously pursue (in his own way) peace.

And if those efforts succeed in any way, even if only through his sheer incomprehensible and logic-defying actions, then I don’t think that will be a bad thing.

I mean, if diplomacy and polite ‘oh gosh fellows please don’t, can’t we all get on, what?’ hasn’t worked in the Middle East (and it hasn’t), then maybe a swift kick in the chops might.

I never thought I’d have this view even cross my mind, but I do make a large effort not to be blinkered and polarised - not easy with the internet.

That video he shared of a Vegas style Gaza means he should be vetoed from getting a Nobel Prize alone. He doesn’t want peace, he wants the world on his terms.

And a convicted felon, let’s not forget…

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