To hope that Trump gets his Nobel Peace Prize?

[OhShutUpThomas]

I do not like anything about the man.

BUT, he is clearly after peace. I think he wants peace for two reasons; one, to enable more golf time, and two, to win a Nobel Peace Prize.
I don’t think the reason is because he is super kind and thoughtful or anything.

I think that his odd and unpredictable behaviour is starting to make other world leaders afraid of him (not to be confused with respect).
When others say ‘don’t do this or we will sanction you’ he says ‘don’t break your nuclear rules or I’ll bomb you’ and then proceeds to actually do so without delay.

This strange, autocratic, narcissistic style will either lead to huge issues, or might just be crazy enough to make other tyrants think twice about how they act. Enabling more time for golf.

I probably haven’t explained it very well. But his actions, whatever we think of them, have pretty much stopped the fledgling Israel/Iran war in its tracks. I wonder how long it would have gone on with nothing but disapproving glances and aid from the western world.

To reiterate: I don’t like Trump, I don’t think he’s right, but I do have to wonder whether his slightly unhinged leadership style might not scare the rest of the world into behaving a bit better.

YABU - I am talking rubbish
YANBU - I don’t like it either, but you might have a point

That is far too simplistic though as Hamas aren't some external aliens blighting the Palestinians. There is quite a considerable number of Palestinians affiliated and supporting Hamas.

Publicly, yes. I imagine they’re terrified to dissent.
Anti-voices are increasingly being heard, though.

Bombing to achieve world peace is like solving world hunger by starving all the hungry people to death so they’re not hungry any more.

No it’s not actually.

It’s like with really nasty playground bullies. Trying to appease them does nothing long term, you just keep getting bullied. A stern word and a slight shove will do nothing. But a really good hard punch on the nose on day one will make them leave you be.

People may not like to accept this, but it’s true. Twas ever thus.

Like it or not, if the rather odious Trump had not reacted quickly with extreme targeted force, Israel and Iran would still be bombing each other right now. They would.
Like it or not - it worked. And now is the time for negotiations.

Thousands of children didn't 'vote' for them or take part in Oct 7th.

The trouble with the world now is that it runs on extremely polarised views. If you want a balanced outlook on the world, you need to actively seek it out, and most people don’t.

Bad people are never just all bad.
Good people are never just all good.

Bad people sometimes do good things.
Good people sometimes do bad things.

If we allow ourselves to just stick our fingers in our ears and go ‘LALALALA I’m not listening’ when asked to think outside the box (eg, could the actions of a man we really don’t like actually have done some good and saved some lives), then we’re just adding to that polarisation.

Sorry, did I black out for a few months and miss where Trump organised a bit of peace somewhere? Only, I had this nightmare where he started bombing Iran...

His attitude towards the Palestinians means that he will never be a decent leader who wants peace, in my book.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

His actions may have done some good, it’s far too early to tell.

But as you say, if they have, it wasn’t for any altruistic reason. And most of his statements and actions are still bonkers and mostly harmful.

So no, I wouldn’t be giving him any prizes. It would only encourage him to do more bombings or other knee jerk foreign policy incursions - and who knows where might be next.

Well yes. But that still doesn’t mean that trump should get a peace prize.

Do you honestly believe that either Netanyahu or Iran are going to let this go? Peace is holding for now, I don’t believe for a second that this has changed anything long term.

Im not saying I think he should. Now.

BUT if he carries on banging heads together in his quest for one, then he may well deserve one in the future, whatever we think of him.

Whether you like HIM or not, two fledgling wars have been stopped in their tracks very recently, due to his actions. I can’t overlook that with a brush off, like him or not. And I definitely do NOT like him!

If Trump is awarded a Nobel Peace Prize I will literally smash my face into a concrete wall until I am dead.

Henry Kissinger was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for bombing and negotiations. So there is precedent for such a ridiculous award.

Oh yes.
Putin and Netanyahu will push him ever closer to that prize. Whatever the fuck they're doing (his words, not mine).
And the occasional dropping a bomb here or there.
So far he's stopped several wars.
And he hasn't set his own army on his people.
He's the best at it.
Big, beautiful stopper of wars he is.

😂😂😂😂

Please don’t, @ThatLilacTiger !

YANBU because if he gets a Noble peace prize it means what he has done has worked, and every sane person would want that. But there are a lot of people who so fanatically hate Trump that they would rather have a nuclear war that be forced to give him credit for anything.

I don't like Trump either but I'd rather have peace than not just cos I don't like him.

Yes, this is what I mean!

Its a sad truth that children die when their parents start wars.

Thousands of children did not support and help the NSDAP to power either. Sadly, that is the tragic side of wars.

There is sadly a long history of Palestinian children being used as human shields and encouraged to show violence towards Jews. You get women like Farahat, aka Um Nidal, 'Mother of the Struggle' who was proud about sending three of her six sons on Hamas suicide missions against Israeli targets and boasted about sending more. Golda Meir has often been credited with the very sad quote that there is no chance of peace, as long as the Palestinians do not love their children more than they hate Jews. In addition, Palestinians have long fought a very dirty propaganda war of staging supposedly wounded and dead children, which further undermines genuine victims.

It's a sad truth that children die when they're deliberately targeted by war criminals.

Do you have any proof that the thousands of dead babies and children who were deliberately targeted were 'human shields'? The ones in ICU, at school, in refugee camps, searching for food. I'd like to see your evidence not that it means much, we're all aware that you're making excuses for war crimes.

What part of Hamas using schools, hospitals and other public spaces to fight from, store weapons and 'accidentally' blowing up themselves is unknown to you? That is a matter of public record and the same tactic used by PLO. There are many verified tunnels under those locations. That is actually a war crime. Perpetuated by the Palestinian fighters against their own people. It is heartbreaking to see children being abused by their own people. Its is sheer evil and psychopathic to use children in such a manner. To add to it, Pallywood is a well known propaganda tool that stages deaths and injuries.

You can frame things like that if you wish but this war would not have started if Hamas did not deliberately and knowingly provoke a war with Israel by launching a mass racist murder and atrocity against Israeli citizens. Since 2005 Hamas, with funding and support from Iran, has been investing money not in developing Gaza for the good of Gazan citizens but instead in preparing for the terrorist atrocity on October 7th to ignite a war.. Those tunnels did not build themselves and were not cheap and neither are the weapons and rockets which have been continuously launched at Israel since October 7th (and the terrorist murders in Israel have not stopped either). This has been a highly expensive, long term project of immense planning to start a war with Israel.

There will be no peace in the Middle East whilst the current Iranian regime which is dedicated to destroying Israel ( there is a clock counting down the time to this in Iran) still exists.

You can blind yourself to all this if you wish to maintain a simple narrative, but the truth keeps on being the truth.

It's a war crime to deliberately target civilians including children. Let me know what part of war crime you don't understand.

I'm not interested in your excuses for war criminals. It's sick.