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To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

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Lastu · 22/06/2025 13:45

I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

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EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 14:25

ThatGladTiger · 22/06/2025 14:24

Who are the real terrorists and hostile nations?

Is it not the US, UK and Israel?

Whereabouts are you to write this?

PandoraSocks · 22/06/2025 14:26

TempestTost · 22/06/2025 14:23

Because, OP, as you can see, they don't actually know anything about the history of the current policies about Iran, either in the US or the west more generally, nor do they know anything about how the situation with nuclear weapons evolved through the 20th century. The Cold War and it's end seem to have passed them by completely.

They are so affected by Trump Derangement Syndrome that they cannot see that the actions of Harris, had she won, would have been very similar if not identical.

There are a lot of people who only seem to be able to look at politics from the POV of the last 5 minutes, and intense tribalism. One lady I know just told me recently that I apparently support genocide and am anti-Muslim. Three years ago she's have told me with equal sincerity I was antisemitic. The Israelis are bad, the Palestinians good, and Iran hates the former and funds Hamas, so they must therefore be good.

I think the only people affected by Trump Derangement Syndrome are the ones cheering on his reckless stupidity.

Lastu · 22/06/2025 14:26

Imtootired · 22/06/2025 14:15

I know of them of course. Don’t be so condescending. You’re the one playing dumb and asking what could possibly go wrong with the USA starting another war in the Middle East that will bring nothing but death and destruction and making weapons companies obscene amounts of money. What I mean to say is that the USA doesn’t actually have those checks and balances that you speak of. The president can start a war and use nuclear weapons. I’m in Australia and our PM can also bring us to war with no authorisation from the Parliament. Do you not see Iranians as human beings? What gives Israel and America the right to bomb a sovereign country? Because we don’t like them? The media has done their job and paved the way for mindless numnuts like you to go along with it. Do you not see the videos out of Gaza? Are USA and Israel moral actors to you? FFS

Would you prefer Iran to be in possession of nuclear weapons? Why?

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HedwigIsMySpiritAnimal · 22/06/2025 14:26

Lastu · 22/06/2025 13:58

And democratically elected with a time limit on his presidency and checks and balances on his power.

Why were you pretending not to understand the issues when you actually have entrenched views already? 🙄 What a pointless thread 🤦‍♀️

Tiredofwhataboutery · 22/06/2025 14:26

Lastu · 22/06/2025 13:53

Might? Were.

I’d agree with you OP the international watchdog was ringing alarm bells, the G7 too I do think this an issue with the wmd debacle. So now when they say we have reliable intelligence everyone thinks it’s BS.

Iran were stock piling enriched uranium. In breach of treaty obligations. What else were they going to do with it?

Lastu · 22/06/2025 14:26

MiloMinderbinder925 · 22/06/2025 14:15

He's bombing a country OP. That's not wildly inaccurate.

That’s not what an invasion is.

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Gingernaut · 22/06/2025 14:26

Lastu · 22/06/2025 14:10

Iran has said that they were developing nuclear capabilities.

There is something stopping Iran obliterating Israel - the USA.

Before the Iraq War, where the USA led allies overthrew Iraq, arrested and hanged Saddam Hussein and left the country and it's infrastructure bombed back to the Stone Age, Hussein was making VERY big claims about his military forces, their capacity to take on the USA and how they'd win

Iraqi forces crumbled and many of the WMD had either been used against the Iraqi people or simply didn't exist

We can't know what Iran's capabilities were as the bombings have just obliterated all evidence

atotalshambles · 22/06/2025 14:27

What is happening in Palestine is horrendous and the Israeli government are byond awful but tbh if Iran gets nuclear weapons the world is in big trouble. The Iranian regime are horrendous and are hideous to the people that live there. Don't like Trump one bit but he has taken out nuclear capabilities which is a good thing. Once Iran gets nuclear capacity it will be a matter of when not if there is a nuclear war.

Ilovelifeverymuch · 22/06/2025 14:27

Cadenza12 · 22/06/2025 13:50

Because starting a war over something a country might do is not quite the ticket.

The war was already in progress and is long running, bombing those nuclear site makes sense due to the timing. The Iranian regime is on its knees and still continue to resist peace talks so it made sense to take out the sites and given the US is the only country with the capability to do so. It doesn't make sense to give them an out and then deal with this again in 2-3 years time when they've rebuilt.

Israel has show it can beat Iran easily but they didn't have the capability to destroy the nuclear site which is a main objective for the US, deal a huge decisive blow against Iran's nuclear ambitions.

This will not lead to WW3, neither China nor Russia will enter a war with the US for a weakened Iran, it's just not worth it and Iran does not have the ability to take on the US and Israel, heck they literally capitulated to Israel under a week.

What is likely to happen is Iran will probably carry out some attacks maybe against US bases nearby in Iraq to save face and then end up being forced to the table. They don't have any choice at this point and they know they will be wiped out if they retaliate too much so it's a delicate balance of how can we respond to save face and for the US how much response can we allow so they save face.

I agree it was right to bomb this sites, the US policy has always been consistent across many past presidents, Iran will NOT be allowed to own a nuclear weapon. Trump actually tried multiple times to negotiate with Iran before Israel attacked and even kept the door open after the attacks started.

Even CNN who hat Trump acknowledge that he preferred a path of diplomacy until that wasn't possible anymore:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/06/12/politics/trump-israel-iran-strike-us-diplomacy

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/06/12/politics/trump-israel-iran-strike-us-diplomacy

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 14:27

Lastu · 22/06/2025 14:26

Would you prefer Iran to be in possession of nuclear weapons? Why?

I wonder for a few posters too.

Lastu · 22/06/2025 14:28

Weefreetiffany · 22/06/2025 14:18

Are you talking about Iran or the USA?

Oh come on. You are not so thick as to have not realised that Americans voted for Trump.

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ThatGladTiger · 22/06/2025 14:29

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 14:25

Whereabouts are you to write this?

I’m English in the UK.

In a country that has continually invaded others and supported the US and Israel in the latest chaos. Maybe look at other countries news channels and not the biased BBC.

LlttledrummergirI · 22/06/2025 14:30

Lastu · 22/06/2025 14:24

Where can I find the security briefing which said it wasn’t a threat?

Democratic lawmaker: Last intel briefing showed ‘Iran posed no immediate threat’
U.S. Sen. Chris Murphy posted on X that he and other senators received a classified briefing last week from intelligence officials who indicated that Iran did not pose an immediate threat through its nuclear program.

“Iran was not close to building a deliverable nuclear weapon,” Murphy said. “The negotiations Israel scuttled with their strikes held the potential for success.”

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/live-updates-us-inserts-itself-into-israel-iran-war-and-strikes-3-iranian-nuclear-sites/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/americas-spies-say-iran-wasnt-building-a-nuclear-weapon-trump-dismisses-that-assessment

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-spies-said-iran-wasnt-151644275.html

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi attends a news conference in Istanbul, Turkey, Sunday, June 22, 2025. (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)

LIVE UPDATES: U.S. inserts itself into Israel-Iran war and strikes 3 Iranian nuclear sites

The U.S. military struck three sites in Iran early Sunday, inserting itself into Israel’s effort to decapitating Iran’s nuclear program in a risky gambit to weaken a longtime foe amid Tehran’s threat of reprisals that could spark a wider regional confl...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/live-updates-us-inserts-itself-into-israel-iran-war-and-strikes-3-iranian-nuclear-sites/

kulafey · 22/06/2025 14:30

Lastu · 22/06/2025 13:45

I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

Totally agree with you. This is probably only the second time I've agreed with anything the tangerine fool has ever done. But Iran is the biggest danger to the world. It really has to be prevented from developing nuclear weapons. But Trump supports Israel and Iran hates Israel people will always side with anyone who hates Israel, for no other reason that they hate Israel. Because most people know very little about the history of the region and just jump on the bandwagon. If nothing else, the Iranian people, especially women have been subjugated since the Islamic Revolution. Before that Iran was a very modern, forward thinking, liberal society. The Ayatollah dragged them back into the middle ages. I hope Trump doesnt stop with bombing nuclear plants, I hope he topples the whole regime.

Lifesd · 22/06/2025 14:30

Imtootired · 22/06/2025 14:22

Of course they are more of a threat to the entire world. USA will bring the UK, Australia and any European country stupid enough to go along with it into another bloody, drawn out war with no winners, only human and environmental destruction. Will that be good for your economy? Or any young men you know who will end up with lifelong mental illness if they are lucky enough to be physically unscathed?

My enonomy? Not sure where in the world you are but frankly stopping a nation obsessed with the destruction of the west from having a nuclear weapon is a win in my eyes. I don’t want escalation but what we are currently witnessing is a targeted aerial attack not a boots on the ground invasion.

Horserider5678 · 22/06/2025 14:31

Lastu · 22/06/2025 13:45

I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

Are you as stupid as you sound? It’s not going to stop them and how do we know they really have the capability? Remember the Iraq war started by the US as Iraq supposedly had weapons of mass destruction and were any found? NO

The threat is not from Iran but from India and Pakistan who have already come out in support of Iran! Do you know to what country Russia’s nuclear missives are directed? I’ll give you a clue, it’s not the US! Trump has dragged the UK into a war which is totally unnecessary!

thepariscrimefiles · 22/06/2025 14:31

Lastu · 22/06/2025 13:52

Why do people keep saying this? Do you genuinely believe there is no difference between the USA and Iran?

Russia and North Korea have nuclear weapons. Should the US bomb them as well?

As normally bombing another country would require approval from the US Congress, Trump and his government are behaving like a rogue state too.

Imtootired · 22/06/2025 14:32

Lastu · 22/06/2025 14:26

Would you prefer Iran to be in possession of nuclear weapons? Why?

Now I don’t know if you’re serious or playing dumb. Why do America and Israel have the right to bomb a country on their suspicions of nuclear weapons? America and Israel are the ones who have commited war crimes, genocide and illegal invasions. Should we just go along with it because the civilians killed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Gaza have brown skin? Can you even fathom the human cost of these wars? Do you know anything about what happened to Libya after it got rid of its nuclear weapons?

kulafey · 22/06/2025 14:32

ThatGladTiger · 22/06/2025 14:29

I’m English in the UK.

In a country that has continually invaded others and supported the US and Israel in the latest chaos. Maybe look at other countries news channels and not the biased BBC.

Laughable. The BBC does not support Trump or Israel. It is very pro-Palestine.

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 14:32

ThatGladTiger · 22/06/2025 14:29

I’m English in the UK.

In a country that has continually invaded others and supported the US and Israel in the latest chaos. Maybe look at other countries news channels and not the biased BBC.

Would you say we are hostile but Iran is not? Where would your preference be to live

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 14:33

Ilovelifeverymuch · 22/06/2025 14:27

The war was already in progress and is long running, bombing those nuclear site makes sense due to the timing. The Iranian regime is on its knees and still continue to resist peace talks so it made sense to take out the sites and given the US is the only country with the capability to do so. It doesn't make sense to give them an out and then deal with this again in 2-3 years time when they've rebuilt.

Israel has show it can beat Iran easily but they didn't have the capability to destroy the nuclear site which is a main objective for the US, deal a huge decisive blow against Iran's nuclear ambitions.

This will not lead to WW3, neither China nor Russia will enter a war with the US for a weakened Iran, it's just not worth it and Iran does not have the ability to take on the US and Israel, heck they literally capitulated to Israel under a week.

What is likely to happen is Iran will probably carry out some attacks maybe against US bases nearby in Iraq to save face and then end up being forced to the table. They don't have any choice at this point and they know they will be wiped out if they retaliate too much so it's a delicate balance of how can we respond to save face and for the US how much response can we allow so they save face.

I agree it was right to bomb this sites, the US policy has always been consistent across many past presidents, Iran will NOT be allowed to own a nuclear weapon. Trump actually tried multiple times to negotiate with Iran before Israel attacked and even kept the door open after the attacks started.

Even CNN who hat Trump acknowledge that he preferred a path of diplomacy until that wasn't possible anymore:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/06/12/politics/trump-israel-iran-strike-us-diplomacy

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@Ilovelifeverymuchyes probably too calm for aibu pile on but agree.

PracticallyIncompetentInEveryWay · 22/06/2025 14:33

Lastu · 22/06/2025 14:14

I think people dislike Trump so automatically decide that Iran is their friend.

Whereas in the lands of reality, is offered the choice between being dropped into the US without a passport and needing to seek their help, or Iran without a passport and having to seek their help, they’re take the US 100% of the time.

I don't think anyone is supporting Iran. I think people are just concerned that this airstrike is going to have massive repercussions. I don't have any answers, but I do know that what they drip feed us from the media is only the very tip of the iceberg. The US has always had great PR.

After reading the comments though, I am now more inclined to agree with the OP. The UK will get dragged into it however, we've always been in America's back pocket.

Ilovelifeverymuch · 22/06/2025 14:34

Hardlyworking · 22/06/2025 13:54

Hostile to whom? Are you saying you don't consider the USA hostile?

Between Iran and USA, only one has been in the news constantly for the last 9 months for their persistent threats to world trade and peace. Spoiler, it wasn't Iran!

Haha what a dumb comparison, yeah the US is the threat to the world 😂 😆

Iran has been in the news plenty, your media is just obsessed with the US that's why you see more of it and yes the US has every right to insist European countries pay more for their security and push for changes to trade if it doesn't benefit them, you're free to stop trading with the US if you disagree but we all know you need access to their market so you will negotiate.

Horserider5678 · 22/06/2025 14:34

Lifesd · 22/06/2025 14:30

My enonomy? Not sure where in the world you are but frankly stopping a nation obsessed with the destruction of the west from having a nuclear weapon is a win in my eyes. I don’t want escalation but what we are currently witnessing is a targeted aerial attack not a boots on the ground invasion.

But it won’t! Wake up and smell the coffee, experts have already said Iran is no threat, but Pakistan and India are the real threats! So what next bomb them?
Again you are showing lack of insight as the next move will be a ground invasion! But don’t let that spoil your delusions!

Mooselooseinmyhoose · 22/06/2025 14:34

Lastu · 22/06/2025 14:28

Oh come on. You are not so thick as to have not realised that Americans voted for Trump.

OP you posted a thread that asked what you were missing. In fact your responses clearly indicate you have a fixed view on the subject which you believe is based upon accurate knowledge and information.

Others are responding with their views which they believe are based upon accurate knowledge and information.

You don't appear to be actually engaging in meaningful discussion but rather accusing anyone with an opposing view of supporting the Iranian regime and wanting Iran to have nuclear weapons.

So what is the point of this thread? Is it just to goad others? If you don't seek an actually discussion this is just pointless.

I cannot abide the Iranian regime. I would be very worried if they had working nuclear weapons. I do not believe either of those facts entitles other nations to bomb them in breach of international law and I do not believe that my life has more meaning or value because the uterus from whence I came happen to be in England as opposed to elsewhere. Iranians don't deserve to die for their leadership.. which as you point out they have no control over, any more than I believe I should be killed for Starmer or Truss or Boris or any one of them.

But this thread is not looking for rational conversation is it?