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To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

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Lastu · 22/06/2025 13:45

I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

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Gloriia · 24/06/2025 14:03

ExtraOnions · 24/06/2025 13:41

Ceasefire is going well … next step Trump stops providing military aid to Israel, then it will all kick off

I would say next step is an American service person will be killed then it will all kick off.

Locutus2000 · 24/06/2025 14:26

Martymcfly24 · 23/06/2025 22:37

The LEFTIES!!!

🤣

I think there might be one in my house...what should I do?

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/06/2025 15:29

What should you do? You can try reading some history. Who backed the Ayatollahs against the Shah of Iran? The Communists. It didn't end well for them in Iran. Every single one either executed or exiled. Similarly Stalin made his pact with Hitler. That didn't well either. Communists are always guaranteed to pick the wrong side.

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/06/2025 15:36

Locutus2000 · 24/06/2025 14:26

I think there might be one in my house...what should I do?

Hide the scissors.

PandoraSocks · 24/06/2025 15:36

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/06/2025 15:29

What should you do? You can try reading some history. Who backed the Ayatollahs against the Shah of Iran? The Communists. It didn't end well for them in Iran. Every single one either executed or exiled. Similarly Stalin made his pact with Hitler. That didn't well either. Communists are always guaranteed to pick the wrong side.

Are we Communists now, Ted? 🤣

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/06/2025 15:43

This is what happens when you team up with religious fundamentalists.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tudeh_Party_of_Iran

Tudeh Party of Iran - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tudeh_Party_of_Iran

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 16:54

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 10:21

Tough one. Why do you think Iran has 400kg of enriched uranium?

There’s no reason under the pre strike situation it wouldn’t go up. And as time passed Iran became stronger.

I can’t see just leave them to it until they really are in a good place for them is good way to go.

Apologies for the delay in responding. I remember you previously saying you preferred a diplomatic approach over military strikes—so aren’t we actually in agreement that diplomacy might have prevented the rise in Iran’s enriched uranium stockpile?

When Trump took office in 2017, the JCPOA had already eliminated 98% of Iran’s enriched uranium and capped enrichment at 3.67%, well below weapons-grade. After the strikes, it will be even harder to monitor or contain. By incentivising Iran to disperse and conceal its nuclear infrastructure, and by undermining the tools of international inspection, the strikes have ultimately made the program more opaque and potentially more dangerous.

And there's a deeper irony here. While many on here now frame regime change as the logical solution—assuming it would bring a more pro-Western Iran—that view ignores Iranian political realities. Nationalism, not theocracy, is Iran’s unifying ideology. Even Iranians who oppose the Islamic Republic often see foreign intervention as a violation of sovereignty. Strikes like these don’t weaken that sentiment politically; they can consolidate its grip. I just read an analyst who noted, “Trump just guaranteed that Iran will be a nuclear weapons state in the next 5 to 10 years—especially if the regime changes.” Bombing might have shown strength in the short term, but in the long term it may have hardened exactly the instincts and outcomes it intended to prevent.

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 17:06

Beachtastic · 24/06/2025 10:47

These threads always go round and round in circles expressing the same points, which are never accepted, and everyone offends each other. War is a chaotic nightmare, horrible mistakes happen (like the IDF killing the hostages), world leaders are terrifying, Hamas is even more terrifying and deeply embedded among civilians (including, sadly, some very young), and Middle Eastern politics are insane. From the privileged comfort and safety of our keyboards, it is impossible for us to make sense of what is going on without access to military intelligence, and I doubt that is foolproof or used optimally (it never is). There are no clear "goodies" or "baddies" here. I'm just wary of the anti-Israel stuff because not acknowledging how high the stakes are for them, and what a nightmare situation they're in, seems to negate their very right to exist, since that is what's under threat. There is a lot of emotive talk about "obliterating Gaza" but if that had been their intention, there would be more than <3% of the population killed in the past couple of years (without downplaying the significance of that <3%, obviously). I do get the sense that some posters take offence at what seems to be the Western world backing Israel against Iran, because we are used to thinking of our leaders as corrupt and driven by corporate interests, and collectively we carry a lot of colonial guilt. It's easy from this perspective to overlook the fact that there is enormous wealth and corruption driving the goal to destroy Israel, Jewish people in general, and even Western values. All I can do at the moment is hold my head in my hands and just hope that what the Iranian regime currently presents does not triumph. I wish it could all be done without bloodshed, but the nature of human history is that it is violent and cruel. The existence of evil and immense suffering in the world is probably the most difficult thing to come to terms with as a human.

Firstly, I really agree with you that war is chaos and grief, and that none of us, removed from the trauma and violence, can fully grasp its impact. But I also think that’s exactly why we should be questioning, thinking critically, and refusing to accept surface-level narratives at face value. To say “it’s too complicated to know” risks letting dangerous decisions go unchallenged.

There’s now a growing consensus in some policy and media circles that overthrowing the Iranian regime will achieve what military strikes haven’t: ending Iran’s nuclear ambitions, its regional influence, and the Islamic Republic itself. Regime change is being treated like a magic bullet. But very few people are asking the obvious: then what?

There’s no evidence to suggest that a new Iranian government, whether democratic or not, would be friendlier to Israel or the U.S. History suggests the opposite. Nationalism, not theocracy, is the dominant political force in Iran. And when outside powers intervene, especially violently, it usually unifies even deeply divided societies against a common enemy. Any future leadership will be focused above all on Iranian sovereignty—and deeply sceptical of Western intentions.

There is tragedy here. Ordinary Iranians, just like Israelis, want peace and security—preferably through diplomacy and dialogue. But the unprovoked attacks of the last week, and their justification by the U.S. -a disastrous sequence that began with Trump’s wanton violation of President Obama’s Iran deal in 2018- have convinced many Iranians that restraint, whether nuclear or otherwise, is national suicide.

So yes, the situation is horrific. But that doesn’t mean every action taken in the name of security brings us closer to peace. Sometimes, especially in the Middle East, force doesn’t solve the problem—it entrenches it.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/06/2025 17:11

As if anyone should believe what Iran says. They brokered the deal with Obama as they wanted sanctions lifted in order to save the failed state they preside over. It appears that some of these centrifuges have been moved to other locations prior to the Trump bombings. Does anyone really think Iran is not going to use nukes?

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/06/2025 17:16

Obama and his deal just facilitated the failed dictatorship continuing for more years.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/06/2025 17:22

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/lenin-used-useful-idiots-to-spread-propaganda-to-the-west/
Just substitute this for Islamic fundamentalists and you will see what they are up to, infiltrating universities, political parties and institutions in the West.

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 17:26

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/06/2025 17:11

As if anyone should believe what Iran says. They brokered the deal with Obama as they wanted sanctions lifted in order to save the failed state they preside over. It appears that some of these centrifuges have been moved to other locations prior to the Trump bombings. Does anyone really think Iran is not going to use nukes?

Can you clarify what “nukes” you're referring to? For nearly two decades, both U.S. intelligence agencies and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) have consistently assessed that Iran is not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon. That conclusion has been central to their intelligence reporting since at least 2007.

This is precisely why the JCPOA (Iran nuclear deal) mattered: it didn’t rely on trust—it created a system of verification. Through IAEA inspections, Iran’s nuclear activities were monitored closely, and its uranium enrichment was kept well below weapons-grade. Walking away from that framework—and now bombing safeguarded facilities—undermines those verification mechanisms and may actually incentivize Iran to move its program further underground.

If we’re serious about preventing nuclear proliferation, abandoning inspections and diplomacy doesn’t help. It makes the world less secure, not more.

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 17:34

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/06/2025 17:16

Obama and his deal just facilitated the failed dictatorship continuing for more years.

I think it's worth stepping back and asking: what was the alternative? The JCPOA didn’t “save” the regime—it constrained it. When Obama left office, Iran had eliminated 98% of its enriched uranium, dismantled two-thirds of its centrifuges, capped enrichment at 3.67%, and was under 24/7 IAEA monitoring. That’s not enabling a dictatorship—that’s using diplomacy to prevent a war while severely restricting Iran’s ability to pursue a nuclear weapon.

It’s also worth remembering that Iran continued complying with the deal for over a year after Trump unilaterally pulled out—hoping the U.S. would return. When that didn’t happen, Iran escalated. Now, after years of “maximum pressure” and military strikes, IAEA inspectors haven’t been able to verify the location of enriched uranium for more than a week, and nationalistic sentiment inside Iran is arguably stronger than before. That’s not progress—that’s a strategic regression.

So can I ask — how do you see Obama’s deal as facilitating the regime’s survival? Do you believe abandoning the deal made the regime more fragile? I’m interested to understand your reasoning.

Beachtastic · 24/06/2025 18:06

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 17:06

Firstly, I really agree with you that war is chaos and grief, and that none of us, removed from the trauma and violence, can fully grasp its impact. But I also think that’s exactly why we should be questioning, thinking critically, and refusing to accept surface-level narratives at face value. To say “it’s too complicated to know” risks letting dangerous decisions go unchallenged.

There’s now a growing consensus in some policy and media circles that overthrowing the Iranian regime will achieve what military strikes haven’t: ending Iran’s nuclear ambitions, its regional influence, and the Islamic Republic itself. Regime change is being treated like a magic bullet. But very few people are asking the obvious: then what?

There’s no evidence to suggest that a new Iranian government, whether democratic or not, would be friendlier to Israel or the U.S. History suggests the opposite. Nationalism, not theocracy, is the dominant political force in Iran. And when outside powers intervene, especially violently, it usually unifies even deeply divided societies against a common enemy. Any future leadership will be focused above all on Iranian sovereignty—and deeply sceptical of Western intentions.

There is tragedy here. Ordinary Iranians, just like Israelis, want peace and security—preferably through diplomacy and dialogue. But the unprovoked attacks of the last week, and their justification by the U.S. -a disastrous sequence that began with Trump’s wanton violation of President Obama’s Iran deal in 2018- have convinced many Iranians that restraint, whether nuclear or otherwise, is national suicide.

So yes, the situation is horrific. But that doesn’t mean every action taken in the name of security brings us closer to peace. Sometimes, especially in the Middle East, force doesn’t solve the problem—it entrenches it.

You talk as though outcomes can be treated as rational, predictable, and controllable. EVERYTHING backfires, that's how things work. We just have to wait and see how each cascade of mayhem eventually lands. And when it eventually lands, that's not the end of it...

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 18:11

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/06/2025 17:11

As if anyone should believe what Iran says. They brokered the deal with Obama as they wanted sanctions lifted in order to save the failed state they preside over. It appears that some of these centrifuges have been moved to other locations prior to the Trump bombings. Does anyone really think Iran is not going to use nukes?

It’s their intention surely most can see that.

What to do about it is another issue. I’m not sure just turning up and saying you’re in breach as happened recently and waiting is the way to go.

Give it another year or so and they are in a better position with further uranium and strength.

BuffysBigSister · 24/06/2025 18:28

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YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/06/2025 18:37

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 17:34

I think it's worth stepping back and asking: what was the alternative? The JCPOA didn’t “save” the regime—it constrained it. When Obama left office, Iran had eliminated 98% of its enriched uranium, dismantled two-thirds of its centrifuges, capped enrichment at 3.67%, and was under 24/7 IAEA monitoring. That’s not enabling a dictatorship—that’s using diplomacy to prevent a war while severely restricting Iran’s ability to pursue a nuclear weapon.

It’s also worth remembering that Iran continued complying with the deal for over a year after Trump unilaterally pulled out—hoping the U.S. would return. When that didn’t happen, Iran escalated. Now, after years of “maximum pressure” and military strikes, IAEA inspectors haven’t been able to verify the location of enriched uranium for more than a week, and nationalistic sentiment inside Iran is arguably stronger than before. That’s not progress—that’s a strategic regression.

So can I ask — how do you see Obama’s deal as facilitating the regime’s survival? Do you believe abandoning the deal made the regime more fragile? I’m interested to understand your reasoning.

It should be obvious that loosening the sanctions on Iran enabled them to continue with their horrific regime which has done no favours to the ordinary Iranians who are suffering. What is worrying is that there are people marching around London with so called socialists with placards supporting an Islamofascist regime similar to the Taliban and Isis. You can't put a cigarette paper between them. They're all the same.

PandoraSocks · 24/06/2025 18:39

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/06/2025 17:22

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/lenin-used-useful-idiots-to-spread-propaganda-to-the-west/
Just substitute this for Islamic fundamentalists and you will see what they are up to, infiltrating universities, political parties and institutions in the West.

Which political parties in the West are being infiltrated? Which institutions and universities?

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/06/2025 18:46

Nobody was against sanctions on South Africa back in the day. I wonder why Iran became so precious. Probably because the leftist establishment are friendly to Islamic regimes.

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 18:47

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 17:26

Can you clarify what “nukes” you're referring to? For nearly two decades, both U.S. intelligence agencies and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) have consistently assessed that Iran is not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon. That conclusion has been central to their intelligence reporting since at least 2007.

This is precisely why the JCPOA (Iran nuclear deal) mattered: it didn’t rely on trust—it created a system of verification. Through IAEA inspections, Iran’s nuclear activities were monitored closely, and its uranium enrichment was kept well below weapons-grade. Walking away from that framework—and now bombing safeguarded facilities—undermines those verification mechanisms and may actually incentivize Iran to move its program further underground.

If we’re serious about preventing nuclear proliferation, abandoning inspections and diplomacy doesn’t help. It makes the world less secure, not more.

We can’t turn back time though and Iran are at 60% and in breach according to the same organisation.

So what’s to be done in that moment?

What can the IAEA or anyone do about that, what are the options?

Just say you’re in breach and don’t

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/06/2025 18:47

Which political parties are being infiltrated?
Have you missed the Greens recent elected candidates?

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 19:52

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 18:47

We can’t turn back time though and Iran are at 60% and in breach according to the same organisation.

So what’s to be done in that moment?

What can the IAEA or anyone do about that, what are the options?

Just say you’re in breach and don’t

I was replying to someone who said Iran had 'nukes.' All the evidence points to that not being the case. As I've said before, I would like Iran to remain within the NPT and seek a purely peaceful nuclear energy capacity under tight international inspection. But, as this war has shown, such an approach is no guarantee against future attacks on ostensibly peaceful enrichment facilities. What do you think should be done at present?

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 19:54

Beachtastic · 24/06/2025 18:06

You talk as though outcomes can be treated as rational, predictable, and controllable. EVERYTHING backfires, that's how things work. We just have to wait and see how each cascade of mayhem eventually lands. And when it eventually lands, that's not the end of it...

That's a very good point! But maybe that's why I believe strategy matters so much. If everything has the potential to backfire, then isn’t it even more important to be deliberate, to weigh long-term consequences, and to avoid actions driven purely by emotion or short-term optics?

rainingsnoring · 24/06/2025 19:58

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 19:54

That's a very good point! But maybe that's why I believe strategy matters so much. If everything has the potential to backfire, then isn’t it even more important to be deliberate, to weigh long-term consequences, and to avoid actions driven purely by emotion or short-term optics?

Exactly. We need reasonable, cool heads but we don't have any in charge here. The world is run by money and self interest with those who are calm, intelligent, knowledgable and diplomatic ignored. I bet there are a great many diplomats throughout the world who are tearing their hair out at some of the orders they are forced to deal with and the terrible situations that they are being put in.

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 19:59

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 19:52

I was replying to someone who said Iran had 'nukes.' All the evidence points to that not being the case. As I've said before, I would like Iran to remain within the NPT and seek a purely peaceful nuclear energy capacity under tight international inspection. But, as this war has shown, such an approach is no guarantee against future attacks on ostensibly peaceful enrichment facilities. What do you think should be done at present?

@loopinloowhy are you convinced Iran isn’t moving towards a weapon? They are in breach already, this has been flagged.

What makes you so sure 400kg at 60% is for the purposes of peaceful use? And that this was their intention over the next few years?