To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

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I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

Im not sure exactly where I stand on Trump’s attack. I’m reading both sides of the argument with interest - very good points raised all round but I must admit, this is where my head went too.

People in those regions get displaced, they will not be heading to the US to seek asylum. It will be Europe, with the UK taking a fair share. I’m not sure unchecked illegal immigration of people from some of these countries is a particularly good idea at the moment. But of course would feel for genuine asylum seekers of which I suspect the majority will be. Better they aren’t displaced in the first place.

Iraq was deemed to have WMD's which turned out to be untrue.

Experts have said that Iran was quite a long way from developing nuclear weapons even before these airstrikes. Obama brokered a deal with Iran to stop them developing nuclear weapons which Trump withdrew from during his previous term in office. A meeting between the US and Iran was scheduled to take place and then Israel started bombing Iran and the meeting was cancelled.

We did let them get on with it for quite a long time until the invasion of Poland which made British intervention legal under international law.

And the US didn't join ww2 until 1941 after Pearl Harbour. They had no qualms ignoring fascism before then..

What @Mooselooseinmyhoose said

“I cannot abide the Iranian regime. I would be very worried if they had working nuclear weapons. I do not believe either of those facts entitles other nations to bomb them in breach of international law and I do not believe that my life has more meaning or value because the uterus from whence I came happen to be in England as opposed to elsewhere. Iranians don't deserve to die for their leadership.. which as you point out they have no control over, any more than I believe I should be killed for Starmer or Truss or Boris or any one of them.”

where the hell does it go from here 😒

The ME is unstable because of Western interference and Israel currently bombing them

Israel is also a Middle Eastern country, it's part of the "them".

The US will not bomb them BECAUSE they have nuclear weapons.

Hopefully.

If you look, it wasn't me that posted the original comment. I was just clarifying it because it was quoted and not understood and I understood what it meant. I have never seen the film. I have read the book three times in my life.

Im not sure why you think I am forgetting anything about Orwell’s work seeing as all I did was clarify what the other poster meant by Eastasia and Eurasia and then merely said it was a good book. Which it is.

Not really; other bonkers and quite dangerous people are either unaware, or just don’t care. And - spoiler alert - as each day goes by, I discover there are a lot more bonkers and dangerous people out there than I used to think there were.

They said that about Putin at one point.

No. The evidence of that should be put before the UN, scrutinised as to its accuracy and the global body which is supposed to decide these things decides what happens next including if necessary by military force which UN conventions allow for.

That's super different from unilateral (or in this case bilateral) bombing campaigns on the say so of two men at the top.

A major difference between the US and Iran is that the US has actually used a nuclear bomb and Iran has not. Another difference is that America has invaded and occupied various countries in the middle east but Iran has never done that to a western country.

Western white governments do not have a moral high ground and they do not have the right to dictate what other countries do.

You sound certain it would be fine if Iran had nuclear capability. Why are you so sure?

WW2 started when the Nazis invaded Poland.

Iran was years away from having nuclear weapons. Which begs the question: why did Trump choose to attack now instead of continuing with diplomacy?

I have been thinking of Neville Chamberlain this whole thread. That's what a lot of people wanted - keep negotiating, appeasement, war or bombs won't solve anything, it's always better to have peace.

This is the president who was elected on a strong mandate that he doesn't initiate wars. And he has now initiated a war in the most volatile area of the world in circumstances where he can't control the consequences You don't have to support Iran to be averse to the prospect of world war.

The creation of nuclear weapons left us in this tenuous state where we're relying on the powers that be to NOT use them, and yes eliminating a hostile nations ability to have them seems like am obvious thing to do, but it also acts as a spark that could make the whole tinder box go up. It's a delicate balance of diplomacy and power, and a tiny bit of common sense (I pray). But tomorrow what nation will be hostile, who will ally with whom, will they all be able to be destroyed with no repercussions etc etc

My PHD was in Middle Eastern History from probably the best university in Scotland. I think I can safely say I'm quite well educated in the issues of that area of the world and in current media and popular viewpoints. Independent means the BBC didn't compile the report themselves, it doesn't mean the report was compiled without bias. Educate yourself, idiot.

The Iranian position has not changed for years. They allowed inspections and we’re negotiating with US in regards to further this and lift sanctions. Israel didn’t like how talks were going and divided now was the time to thwart talks. Bibi has been saying Iran is close to developing a nuclear weapon over and over for 30 years. He has his own agenda. I doubt any other US president would have done this but it’s Trump isn’t it.

Very true. The argument is that they SHOULD have stepped in and didn't, leading to the deaths of many, many more millions than was necessary.

No, I don't think they are years away at all. I think it's become clear they weren't. And I think the backing of Hamas to instigate the attacks on Israel was done with that very much in the background.

Just because you think something doesn't make it true.

They did everything they could to avoid inspections. They allowed them eventually...I wonder what they were doing with the evidence during the delay?

America is the terrorist wake up smell the coffee