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Showing support for terrorism is illegal so why do people do it?

724 replies

Nowayyousure · 19/06/2025 11:36

Well we all know it's illegal, don't we?

It happens though. The flags, the signs, the slogans, the chants, what is said etc.

Kneecap was charged on supporting terrorism. I understand that the charges relate to things like waving the Hezbollah flag and shouting in support of terrorist organisations.

He has been bailed pending trial.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo

A close-up of a man in the midst of a crowd. He is wearing sunglasses and a black and white keffiyeh headdress around his neck like a scarf. A crowd is around him. You can see Irish tricolours in the background

Kneecap rapper released on unconditional bail over terror charge

Kneecap's Liam Óg Ó hAnnaidh, aka Mo Chara, is accused of displaying a flag in support of proscribed organisation Hezbollah.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo

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nomoreforks · 19/06/2025 14:02

Didn't Nelson Mandela give up violence as he thought the only way to lasting peace was to seek political change peacefully? Wars, violence and killings lead to more wars, violence and killings.

queenmeadhbh · 19/06/2025 14:02

stupidarticle · 19/06/2025 13:59

I am too lazy to Google. Was the Manchester Arena bombing claimed by Hamas or Hezbollah? I am not sure why it's relevant here!

No, it’s that OP is not thinking further than the word “terrorist” so is equating any and all acts committed by any and all terrorist groups as the same sort of thing. I think she’s shaping up for “if you agree that Palestinian land belongs to Palestinian people, then you support the IRA, al-qaeda, ISIS, Hamas, and ETA”.

PhilomenaPunk · 19/06/2025 14:02

stupidarticle · 19/06/2025 13:59

I am too lazy to Google. Was the Manchester Arena bombing claimed by Hamas or Hezbollah? I am not sure why it's relevant here!

Neither actually. But a lot of posters seem to struggle with the idea that brown and black people are not just one homogeneous group that all look, think and act in the same way. The racism is rife.

EasyTouch · 19/06/2025 14:03

Are Kneecap competent rappers? Are they talented? Does the trio consist of three dynamic talents like The Lox?
Or are they as dry as the average non Romance language White guy rappers?
These are the important questions.

PITCHpink · 19/06/2025 14:04

popcornpower2025 · 19/06/2025 13:50

One of the most stupid responses I've ever read. Terrorism is not exclusive to ISIS and their ilk

Well right now considering what’s going on in the world - being on the verge of WWlll and all….it absolutely is relevant and even OP said she wasn’t really referring to NI and the like and made reference to the Manchester bombing and Palestine.

Of course terrorism comes in different forms, but to the west then what’s going on in the Middle East right now then my point is more than valid.

I don’t expect their apologists to agree with me though.

PhilomenaPunk · 19/06/2025 14:06

ExtraOnions · 19/06/2025 13:58

…I’ve already tried asking about Nelson Mandela and The Suffragettes and got nowhere.

What the OP is actually asking is why some people in the West are supportive of Palestinians.. whilst conflating supporting Palestine, with supporting Hammas.

It makes me wonder if the OP would also make the argument that every American is a terrorist or a nazi due to the significant increase in far-right neo nazi groups and instances of domestic terror in recent years? So how about it @Nowayyousure? Or is it that people living within the same country in the West can have different political views and approaches to dealing with things but all brown people living within one country are all the same?

PhilomenaPunk · 19/06/2025 14:08

PITCHpink · 19/06/2025 14:04

Well right now considering what’s going on in the world - being on the verge of WWlll and all….it absolutely is relevant and even OP said she wasn’t really referring to NI and the like and made reference to the Manchester bombing and Palestine.

Of course terrorism comes in different forms, but to the west then what’s going on in the Middle East right now then my point is more than valid.

I don’t expect their apologists to agree with me though.

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Well I’m betting most Palestinians would argue that they have faced acts of terror since 1948.

Butchyrestingface · 19/06/2025 14:09

EasyTouch · 19/06/2025 14:03

Are Kneecap competent rappers? Are they talented? Does the trio consist of three dynamic talents like The Lox?
Or are they as dry as the average non Romance language White guy rappers?
These are the important questions.

They’d better be. They’re supposed to be performing at TRNSMT in Glasgow in a few weeks and I’m going.

Leaving my Free Asian Dawn flag at home this time though (joke for the Diehard fans). Grin

Dangermoo · 19/06/2025 14:09

PhilomenaPunk · 19/06/2025 14:06

It makes me wonder if the OP would also make the argument that every American is a terrorist or a nazi due to the significant increase in far-right neo nazi groups and instances of domestic terror in recent years? So how about it @Nowayyousure? Or is it that people living within the same country in the West can have different political views and approaches to dealing with things but all brown people living within one country are all the same?

You're making it all about 'brown' people. Are all Jews white or brown, or don't they figure? What a bear pit it is in here.

DdraigGoch · 19/06/2025 14:10

Computersaysdontwantto · 19/06/2025 11:48

Lots of people just think terrorist are good guys. Lots of people aren’t very intelligent. Take Americans who funded the IRA for years. They thought they were doing a good thing. You get people who thought the Hamas attacks on 7th October were a good thing.

There are also people who are deliberately provocative. Free publicity, he'll gain a few sales out of this.

PITCHpink · 19/06/2025 14:11

PhilomenaPunk · 19/06/2025 13:58

Which countries are you talking about?

All of the countries that back terrorism and want to harm the west particularly. That’s the main threat to democracy right now

BeachPossum · 19/06/2025 14:11

Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organisations who should not be supported.

Benjamin Netanyahu is a warmonger and the perpetrator of an illegal and immoral genocide. He should also not be supported.

Because Natanyahu has been empowered to commit unspeakable atrocities without repercussion, the response of some people has been to show support for Hamas and Hezbollah in protest of this. It's not right; they're all unspeakable and require absolute condemnation.

Many people feel frustrated at the hypocrisy of allowing Netanyahu's war crimes to go unchecked and unpunished.

PhilomenaPunk · 19/06/2025 14:12

Dangermoo · 19/06/2025 14:09

You're making it all about 'brown' people. Are all Jews white or brown, or don't they figure? What a bear pit it is in here.

I was actually referring to the Palestinians.

Aaron95 · 19/06/2025 14:12

stupidarticle · 19/06/2025 13:59

I am too lazy to Google. Was the Manchester Arena bombing claimed by Hamas or Hezbollah? I am not sure why it's relevant here!

ISIS claimed they were acting on their behalf. The link was somewhat tenuous but the bombers had been to Libya and met some members of Al Qaeda.

PhilomenaPunk · 19/06/2025 14:13

BeachPossum · 19/06/2025 14:11

Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organisations who should not be supported.

Benjamin Netanyahu is a warmonger and the perpetrator of an illegal and immoral genocide. He should also not be supported.

Because Natanyahu has been empowered to commit unspeakable atrocities without repercussion, the response of some people has been to show support for Hamas and Hezbollah in protest of this. It's not right; they're all unspeakable and require absolute condemnation.

Many people feel frustrated at the hypocrisy of allowing Netanyahu's war crimes to go unchecked and unpunished.

This. Thank you for putting it so clearly.

popcornpower2025 · 19/06/2025 14:14

PITCHpink · 19/06/2025 14:11

All of the countries that back terrorism and want to harm the west particularly. That’s the main threat to democracy right now

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What countries? Go on, share your wisdom

Chippedgels · 19/06/2025 14:14

You seem somewhat naive/lacking in critical thinking OP so I'll try to put it in simple terms. Sometimes governments choose to do awful things that impact people. Real life people, not pretend ones that don't really matter because their skin is a different colour or they speak a language that you cannot understand. This makes some people angry and want to fight against those governments. Does that answer your question?

p1nkp0ny · 19/06/2025 14:14

OP, I read a great book last year called
Does Terrorism Work? by Richard English. It explores the extent to which terrorist organisations achieve their aims, and without being the work of an apologist, it highlights the way in which something which seems incomprehensible to many people does to a limited extent, make sense for some groups and causes. It's very nuanced and intelligent, and I'd highly recommend reading it if you want to try and explore a completely different perspective on the matter.

nomoreforks · 19/06/2025 14:14

Yes @BeachPossum agree 100%

PhilomenaPunk · 19/06/2025 14:15

PITCHpink · 19/06/2025 14:11

All of the countries that back terrorism and want to harm the west particularly. That’s the main threat to democracy right now

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And what do you call it when the countries in the West actively work to harm other countries? I could point to a thousand examples but I’m sure you could Google it. Is that terrorism? Or colonisation? Or genocide? Or just fine?

PITCHpink · 19/06/2025 14:16

PhilomenaPunk · 19/06/2025 14:08

Well I’m betting most Palestinians would argue that they have faced acts of terror since 1948.

I agree but that’s because they’re governed by a terrorist organisation? I do feel sorry for the civilians who just want to live in peace. I hate what is happening to them right and I think they should have a ceasefire.

LakieLady · 19/06/2025 14:16

JaneJeffer · 19/06/2025 13:08

Well @Dangermooit’s hard to take a country who is supplying arms to a genocidal maniac seriously when they prosecute a rap artist for picking up a flag.

Quite.

I'm saving my outrage for those who think it acceptable to kill children who are queueing for food at an aid point, after being starved and bombed for weeks. That outrages me far more than some twat with a flag.

BeFirmHedgehog · 19/06/2025 14:17

“Terrorism is intended to coerce or intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.”

There are plenty of governments that have historically and continue to engage in terrorist activities. Bloody Sunday anyone? I think the OPs definition of terrorism is incredibly limited.

Nelson Mandela was a prescribed terrorist according to the British Government.

KrisAkabusi · 19/06/2025 14:18

Dangermoo · 19/06/2025 13:23

Oh well, I'm sure when he turns up to court, the usual 'peaceful' protestors will be there with their chants. I'm delighted to see him being made an example of.

I'm curious as to why you put "peaceful" in quotes. Are you implying that they are not actually peaceful? In which case it's obviously passed you by that he's already been to court on a completely violence-free day. So yes, the usual peaceful protesters did turn up. Peacefully.

Dangermoo · 19/06/2025 14:19

LakieLady · 19/06/2025 14:16

Quite.

I'm saving my outrage for those who think it acceptable to kill children who are queueing for food at an aid point, after being starved and bombed for weeks. That outrages me far more than some twat with a flag.

At least one PP has been honest. We now have it confirmed that not everyone believes Hamas are terrorists because they are being oppressed. It's only taken almost 2 years of posturing about it.