Showing support for terrorism is illegal so why do people do it?

[Nowayyousure]

Well we all know it's illegal, don't we?

It happens though. The flags, the signs, the slogans, the chants, what is said etc.

Kneecap was charged on supporting terrorism. I understand that the charges relate to things like waving the Hezbollah flag and shouting in support of terrorist organisations.

He has been bailed pending trial.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo

So Miri13 - care to elaborate on the 'plant' comment. Are you 15? Are you a conspiracy theory believer? Anyone that has a different view must be a bot or a plant?

Very odd

I agree it is a sickening comment.

The plant person compared the French resistance who were fighting a war against the Nazi who had invaded their country with terrorists. Completely different. It's a massive jump to get from defending own country to terrorism and raping of women. Sickening to ever suggest rape is resistance and freedom fighters do it

It seems to me that you are looking for an echo chamber rather than a mature conversation OP. If only mumsnet could set up a sub topic for that, so that those of us that can see both sides can have a conversation that isn't shut down by non answers and emojis.

I wonder how many people here can remember

From October 1988 to September 1994 the British government banned broadcasts of the voices of representatives from Sinn Féin and several Irish republican and loyalist groups on television and radio in the United Kingdom (UK).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988%E2%80%931994_British_broadcasting_voice_restrictions

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I can.

It took about a nanosecond for some broadcasters to use voice actors to replace the voices and speak the words.

Now I am not saying that the effect was counter productive. But it's hard to come out of the right side of history when you are literally scared of a voice.

The thread was long ago derailed x

Your OP was "Showing support for terrorism is illegal"

I don't think you understand your AIBU

@Nowayyousure

Do you think that a terrorist can also be seen by some as a freedom fighter?

And this applies to any group who at some point in history, have been described by people in power as terrorists?

The Nazis called them terrorists.

What would you cal them?

If you want to refer to scum, as freedom fighters, you crack on.

So you are calling the Jewish resistance against the British in Palestine after WW2 scum?

The British called those people terrorists.

So I guess you would call them scum?

What about the French Resistance? The Nazis called them terrorists so I guess you are calling the French Resistance scum?

How about the IRA? Are they scum?

Or are you deliberately ignoring those groups and the basic question.

I take it from your answers that you never think a terrorist* can also be called a freedom fighter by some people and that all terrorists are scum.

*Terrorist - any group who has at some point in history been called a terrorist

One of my favourite aphorisms is to note that the people hiding Ann Frank were breaking the law and the people who killed her were obeying the law.

Which is because laws are madey-uppy things, like money and religion.

So you are calling the Jewish resistance against the British in Palestine after WW2 scum? The British called those people terrorists.

Well, until we called them Prime Minister Ben-Gurion when he met the Queen.

A friend of my DF did his national service in Palestine. He said he saw Ben-Gurion ("Whose blokes were shooting at me !") meeting the Queen and used to say "Funny old world".

You know very well who I'm calling scum. We've had this conversation before.

The statement you replied to was this:

"Do you think that a terrorist can also be seen by some as a freedom fighter?
And this applies to any group who at some point in history, have been described by people in power as terrorists?"

So clearly you were referring to any person in history who has been called a terrorist.

Your reply was:

"If you want to refer to scum, as freedom fighters, you crack on."

Do you find it hard to answer that question?

It’s always important to remember that laws and morality are two separate things. A point most people are not comfortable hearing.

Quite.

And I am not a massive fan of trying to use the law to enforce morality. It's a bad idea. Because it will never end well and merely perpetuates hypocrisy.

Living side by side with the IRA was no picnic for 1000's of Catholic families, living with the fears of being accused of being a rat, street justice, punishment beatings, knee capping of young people.

The poor women, men could beat the shit out of them, there was no police for Catholic people, you had to rely on the senior's who overlooked family violence and sexual abuse from their members.

I don't know how Jean McCoville neighbours ever forgave themselves, not only was she abducted and murdered, her children were left starving as Catholic neighbours were to scared to offer bread, in fear of being accused of helping her.

Those children who had already lost their father suffered.

The female IRA grouping were vicious bullies that were best avoided, they were responsible for vicious murders.

Shoot the women first

E2A: for some reason this link wouldn't save

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoot_the_Women_First

”How about the IRA? Are they scum?”

Very much so. And certainly not “freedom fighters” in any context.

Drug dealers, extortionists, racketeers, murderers - those all fit nicely. Happy to turn a blind eye to rape when it was carried out by senior enough members of their criminal enterprise, whilst carrying out ex-judicial punishments on minor acts of antisocial behaviour by those without the right clout.

Kneecapping, the preferred IRA way, involves using a hand drill on one or both knees, snapping or angle-grinding off the drill bit so that it can’t be easily (if at all) removed from the victim, leaving them in lifelong agony. Often for ‘crimes’ as serious as not showing the ‘correct’ level of respect to the wrong person.

This, btw, from an organisation that liked to pretend it was ‘defending’ Catholics, whilst happily murdering them whenever they felt like it. An organisation that has never properly apologised for those murders, nor given solace to the grieving families by indicating where they dumped the bodies.

For some Catholic families, knowing their loved ones are left in unconsecrated ground will add salt to the wound, but that won’t be causing those ‘good Catholic’ murderers any loss of sleep.

True, most drug dealers, rapists and human trafficking are "freedom fighgers"
Hezbollah recently funded the 157 million cocaine shipment contained in Irish waters. The ship registered to a Dubai business men.

I have no idea how people can romanticise those people. What they did to others including their 'own' was appallingly sick. To some it's all ok because you know 'freedom fighting' 🙄

I'm assuming someone has brought up Nelson Mandela and the ANC?

Then there is the French bombing in an allied nations waters in peace time, sinking a ship, and killing a member of crew that was on board at the time.

War and power brings terror to everyone involved including the innocent people.
Break away groups will use any means necessary to enforce and fund it, mostly at the expense of the innocent people.