Showing support for terrorism is illegal so why do people do it?

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Well we all know it's illegal, don't we?

It happens though. The flags, the signs, the slogans, the chants, what is said etc.

Kneecap was charged on supporting terrorism. I understand that the charges relate to things like waving the Hezbollah flag and shouting in support of terrorist organisations.

He has been bailed pending trial.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo

But is it not on par with saying kill your mp? which is what your talking about, that and holding a flag, with reference to Kneecap.

Nobody holds the loyalist accountable for what they do on the 12th July, and it’s much worse that what Kneecap said. Marching on 12th July would be akin to marching in NYC to celebrate 9/11. Celebrating the death of others.

I don’t think you grasp what’s it’s like living in the north of Ireland. I remember as a child, being pulled over at a British Army checkpoint and they chanted “2 - Nil, 2 - Nil” at us after a loyalist “paramilitary” attack that killed 2 Catholics. This is not isolated, many people have experienced that and much, much worse

I think you are wrong there! Sectarianism is rife in certain parts of Scotland.

Just asking some questions.

Obviously some will insult me. No one has to answer. I personally feel there are a range of reasons why people look like they support terrorism as in band wagon jumping or to appear 'cool or current' but don't actually think deeply about what they are saying/singing/chanting etc. If push comes to shove some wouldn't want people to go out and actually commit terrorism in their own country. Obviously some would go so far as to support their 'freedom fighters' in that aim.

This. And conflating what is happening in Palestine with acts of terror in the UK is disingenuous and dangerous. The Palestinians are fighting back against their oppressors. In much the same way that Irish, the Scottish, the Welsh, the Indians, numerous African nations etc etc have across the centuries. It is a fight against colonialism and genocide. You cannot compare what is happening in Palestine to domestic terrorism, in the same way that I assume you would not compare 9/11 to school shootings in America.

Or would you just lie down and accept it if I don’t know, German tanks rolled down your street and their army took your homes and killed your children? But let me guess: European lives are more important right? We can have endless wars when it’s European lives at stake.

Seriously! You think that’s done! You think there aren’t marches commemorating the massacre of Catholics every year in Northern Ireland (and Scotland). The tensions remain.
Irish support for Palestine has a long history.

One of the most stupid responses I've ever read. Terrorism is not exclusive to ISIS and their ilk

That sounds awful and I wouldn't condone anyone saying that, no matter who they are.

it is impossible to discuss Kneecap without discussing Northern Ireland.

You are consistently discounting the possibility that people who support terrorist organisations believe in the cause of those organisations. For instance, people support the IRA because they believe that the British government have occupied Ireland. People support Hamas because they believe the Jewish state has occupied Palestine.

What’s the point of the musing? As you’ve said, there are lots of reasons.

And what is her OP?

Question: Why do people support terrorists?

Answer: Because they don’t view them as terrorists.

Isn’t that a bit obvious? I certainly don’t support Hamas or Hezbollah but I understand the basic premise that those who do see them as the good guys.

And yet OP Is arguing and preaching at people for pointing that out, and seems to think that such posters must agree with the views of the ‘terrorist’ supporters.

I honestly don't think it's clear cut in every case. We all have our views on whether something is terrorist in nature or freedom fighters.

the governments in the west have blood on their hands as they support terror organisations which in turn makes us targets for these who feel oppressed by them.

I’m thinking the OP is very young and has never been further north than the Watford Gap.

Cause people don’t know how to do things right or stay in their own lane

This. Probably a fairly widely held view.

Right, but the point is why is saying “kill your Tory MP” = jail but “kill all taigs” = oh dear poor catholics that isn’t very nice

Kneecap haven't been dropped from Glastonbury.

The British government have done as much terrorism than most countries. Bloody Sunday in Derry is one of many examples

The law is what it is. You're right, of course not everyone will see proscribed terrorists, as such.

Do you consider Nelson Mandela a terrorist OP? If not, why not? I suspect it's because you agree with what he was fighting for. (To save time, you can't use the argument that his protest was non-violent). [Edited to say: to save further time, that's because it's not true rather than I'm saying that wouldn't be a good distinguishing factor for others!]

Nelson Mandela is the classica example of one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

But where Kneecap is from is not a free country, and Britain is the oppressor. And Palestine is not a free country!

Illegally occupying a country is usually the instigation for freedom fighting or “terrorism”.

Nelson Mandela was labelled as one. So was one person who became Prime Minister of Israel in the 1980s (sorry forgot his name).

I was walking home at night a while ago (Scotland) and happened across a bloke sprawled in the middle of the road at the end of my cul-de-sac.

Thinking he was hurt, I hastened towards him. Coming into earshot, I heard the mellifluous strains of 🎵 up to knees in Fenian blood 🎵

I left him to it. 😀

Which countries are you talking about?

…I’ve already tried asking about Nelson Mandela and The Suffragettes and got nowhere.

What the OP is actually asking is why some people in the West are supportive of Palestinians.. whilst conflating supporting Palestine, with supporting Hammas.

I am too lazy to Google. Was the Manchester Arena bombing claimed by Hamas or Hezbollah? I am not sure why it's relevant here!

That is exactly the point isn’t it? I personally struggle with the idea that the oppressed fighting back against their oppression can be labelled as a terrorist. Because ultimately the question is would that individual be undertaking those activities in a free state? The answer is no.