To say that most heavy duty physical labour is done by men? When was the last time a female plumber, builder, roofer,painter and decorator, drain unblocker, or boiler or washing machine engineer came to your house?

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To say that most heavy duty physical labour is done by men?

That's the thing though, medical school and doctors' placements were fully funded. And the percentage of medical students from working class backgrounds hasn't increased. But the ones who do manage to make it these days face decades of debt.

I think essentially I don't agree the expansion of university places has been helpful generally, but I do think that the idea of debt has affected the poorest. I grew up on a council estate, and I don't see university access as fairer now. But I also don't think this is really relevant to the thread so I'll leave it there.

Still trollin' with the homies, I see.

Can’t believe this is still up. Op obviously hates women for some reason.

Yes but how often has your boiler broken down in the last 20 years?

If you’re talking percentages then you have to give out reputable sources, any idiot on a public forum can say something stupid and regard it as fact. I take it you don’t work within the medical field as you have a degree in Physics? I do work in healthcare and the working class trainee doctors have it a hell of a lot harder than middle class or the rich. They have to work in their final year to pay for the degree for a start and don’t have the luxury of receiving handouts from mummy and daddy.

Can I ask if the job you’re in now if you work was relevant to your degree? I assume you must be in a pretty niche market unless you retrained? It’s relevant to the thread as you’re saying jobs where degrees are needed are the same as manual jobs. They are not. A one year level 2 apprenticeship is very different to studying a degree program for several years. That’s fact.

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Small dick syndrome. It’s a real thing.

To say that most heavy duty physical labour is done by men? When was the last time a female plumber, builder, roofer,painter and decorator, drain unblocker, or boiler or washing machine engineer came to your house?

So fucking what.

You obviously have managed to avoid the female ones then. I know several female painter/decorators, a female plumber, female bin loader and a female scaffolder. I frequently see female drivers in HUGE lorries out and about.

I have no idea what your point is - men are stronger than women in general and don’t jobs tend to attract more men because of that and vice versa. Also it is much harder to build scaffolding while pregnant so if a woman is planning a family then her job may play a part. That isn’t a bad thing, it’s just life.

And if they are self employed, the men where won't hire them to do jobs.

I had a couple of female plasterers do a job for me once, they turned up on time, did a great job, left the place spotless and charged reasonable rates.

I am a very physical person, in that I would be much happier spending the day doing hard physical work than anything else.

However, sadly hard physical graft was not an option anyone encouraged me to believe was open to me as a teen. I was told things like 'you are caring, you should be a nurse/teacher etc..', 'you are smart, you should be a doctor/ psychiatrist/psychologist' etc... Status also seemed to be important to people who had influence on my career choices when I was 17/18 etc.. so.. 'Id like to be carpenter/work outdoors/learn a trade' became 'oh no, you are too x/y/z for that'. When I was young (and I believe maybe even more today) going to university was something parents and teachers wanted kids to do, without necessarily considering that the young person may not want to do that.

Ultimately I was guided towards attending uni and now work in a senior healthcare position which is largely sedentry.

I'd have been far more suited to working my days in a warehouse, on a farm, in a trade...

It's not that women don't want to do the hard graft, it's that we don't show our young girls and teens that these pathways are open to them.... And if a teen is smart or caring, we assume that they should do something academic or in a caring profession. Instead we should be listening more to young people's actual real interests, and encouraging more young people into manual jobs.

I don't know what point you think you are making or what your aim is - i agree that physically men are stronger and some jobs, where physical strength is required will always be done better by men , this does not make any man or woman superior to the other.

i don't hate men, i think you will find most women on here love men and have men in their lives who they love. I suspect if you were able to count the proportion of men that hate women and vice versa then you would find that more men hate women than the other way around.

I agree that each sex has its strengths and weaknesses and that is just a fact. Most physical jobs are done by men and that is great - their sex means that they are physically the best for the job. All children are birthed by women, also great.

There are plenty of jobs that both sexes can do equally well in - also fantastic.

I also agree with pps that jobs where you are physically vulnerable as a woman would put me off even though I could physically do it - eg taxi driver.

Out of the physical jobs you have listed i would be great at painting and decorating . Although I do my own gardening I don't think I could do that physically as a job.

Also could definitely learn plumbing and electrics but agree there could be tasks that I would find hard physically. Dame with building - i could plaster though and would enjoy joinery.

I don't see a problem with recognising that there are differences between the sexes but your posts come across as unpleasant and very anti women but unclear why you have such a problem with women?

Perhaps this is the OP’s problem - they’ve been doing it wrong and failing to use the right tools! I mean, if checking my roof meant physically scaling the walls of my house without a ladder, then I would struggle, but so would most blokes 😂

Last washing machine repair I had done was by a female - one of my close female friends is an electrician but agree it is not the norm
I am not practical at all so would not have considered a career in any of these things other than maybe painting and decorating

Every clamberous woman who does circus skills or pole fitness can consider why these are more acceptable and available than courses in roofing. Hint: nothing to do with female ness, everything to do with patriarchy.

Your post is so full of wisdom. I'm sorry you were thwarted. I believe many women would relate x

I don't understand the point you're making. Or more to the point, why you're making it.

I do all of the things on your list. I'm an engineer and have known some remarkably talented female engineers who would also do all of the things on your list without issue.

One of my close friends is a heating engineer and was quite recently sexually assaulted on a call out. I don't think men are generally quite as vulnerable in customer's houses.

This is why I want the laugh react back!😂

Why don’t you hire females to work on your house? This sounds like a you problem.

That is fucking terrible

I have tiled my own house and painted both the interior and exterior. I do all the DIY in my house including laying laminate, installing kitchen drawers and fixing the toilet.
My husband wouldn't know where to start.

My good friend is a digger operator and the level of sexual harassment she receives is vile. She has nearly quit many times but the actual job is perfect for her ADHD and she loves being outside.

Many, many women would LOVE to do these jobs that often provide a good income and have you out and about. Many women have personalities suited for these professions but they can't do them because of the sexism and men who "don't want us stealing their jobs". They whinge, but if we actually turned up, they would lose their shit.

My friend's brother works on an oil rig. His pay is CRAZY. My friend asked his boss if he would keep her in mind for any future jobs and he said that the only way she would be able to work there is if they hired her full time security and gave her a German Shepherd.

And I'm not sure what your point here is, but women are doing jobs that are just as physical. Nursing for one.

I was a nursery worker. Lifting 20 two year olds that weigh 25+ pounds multiple times a day is far more physical a job than electricians or plumbers.

Nurses are lifting and hoisting adults.

Women are doing just as many jobs that ruin their bodies, but we aren't going on about it.

I know for a fact that if all the men went away, we would just teach ourselves to do those jobs and they would be done in peace. They would also likely be done far quicker without all the macho BS that male tradies give women.

There are machines that help with any lifting that is beyond our physical capabilities.

We would be just fine.

The reason why there is more men currently in those professions is because girls are discouraged from doing them and if they try, they are treated disgustingly.

If men have an issue being the ones predominantly in these jobs then they need to tackle their misogyny and inability to keep their mouths shut and hands to themselves.

You however have a serious chip on your shoulder and I suggest therapy.

Edit: and when I say men need to learn to keep their hands to themselves, this is customers too. Women face it from colleagues and the people who hire them. And most women can't defend themselves when alone in a home with an aggressive man. A "good day" shouldn't be a few patronising comments and a but of light sexual harassment.... And yet for many, it is.

We have an all female builder near us. They do really well. Not used them myself as not had a need to but neighbours have used them.

A friends son is on a construction apprenticeship and the class is very ‘male’ he loves the course but really doesn’t get on with the others as he isn’t a ‘bloke’. It would take a strong woman to take that environment on as a career.

I live in a country where, creeps men like yourself would be laughed at implying women are not capable of performing the jobs you mentioned. You would be, as I’m sure you are day to day, be seen as a joke.

When was the last time a

• female plumber - She’s due tomorrow to fix the fuck up from the (male) plumber last week
• builder - haven’t needed one but have the number of 2 that come highly recommended
• roofer - haven’t needed one but I’ve no doubt I can find one if needed
• painter and decorator - 2023, when I moved out of my last apartment. She did a fantastic job and I have recommended her many times. She now runs a (not so small) small business with 8 other women that are either trained or she’s training them up
• drain unblocker - I’ve literally never needed to hire someone for that. I’m perfectly capable of doing it myself but if needed I could hire the plumber who’s coming tomorrow or someone from Kristinas plumbing nearby…who is a woman.
• boiler or washing machine engineer - The last time my boiler was repaired the company sent a female to fix it with her male apprentice…washing machines I generally fix myself…last time my landlord came to fix it he fucked it up and the company he called did send a man.
• Electrician - I live in an apartment building which currently has a team of 3 women and only 1 man rewiring the stairwell, with the amount of standing outside vaping he does, he seems about as useful as a colander when you want a bowl of soup so I’m not concerned he’s doing all the work.
• Gardeners - both in London and here I have known several female gardeners, they had absolutely no problem doing the same amount of work as their male colleagues, have also known female tree surgeons

The implication that women cannot perform these jobs is bizarre 😂

Until I became disabled I fixed my own roof, did all my own painting and decorating. Plumbed and tiled a new bathroom, unblocked drains inside and out. Went up the ladder to clean the windows a few times a year as our window cleaners use a long stick and it's quite shite. Painted the outside of the house. Unblocked the gutters.
Laid carpet, drilled, made all the ikea furniture etc etc.

DH is dyspraxic and I wouldn't trust him up a ladder. Last time he painted he stood in the paint tray 3 times in the first 5 mins.

Yes he is good for hefting things, but when I was fit I could get things done more quickly and efficiently as I had a clue what I was up to.

Now it galls me to have to pay for things I know how to do but my body won't let me.

There are more men in trades I assume but id assume these things will change. I know 25 years ago girls in my class were going into plumbing and mechanics so more must be by now