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To think there’s a real crisis in men being able to express how they truly feel about life and society?

365 replies

TheGentleSwan · 08/06/2025 18:56

It feels like, in the West, men are struggling to be honest about their emotions, their frustrations, and how they view the world. Whether it’s societal pressure, fear of judgement, or just a lack of spaces to talk openly, it seems like many men keep things bottled up. AIBU to think this is a real issue?

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Fetaface · 10/06/2025 12:37

ZoggyStirdust · 10/06/2025 11:19

I’m not going to defend my friends against a total stranger on the internet who doesn’t know them

The reality that you could've or more than likely have been lied to is not a nice feeling.

Rules of probability means that most are likely to have lied to you as abusers falsely accuse their victims in almost all cases and the line about parental alienation has proved that it is an abusers tactic in the main.

ZoggyStirdust · 10/06/2025 23:24

Fetaface · 10/06/2025 12:37

The reality that you could've or more than likely have been lied to is not a nice feeling.

Rules of probability means that most are likely to have lied to you as abusers falsely accuse their victims in almost all cases and the line about parental alienation has proved that it is an abusers tactic in the main.

Look just give up trying to convince me my friends (who you do not know) are abusers. I don’t know why you’re so hell bent on it.

Fetaface · 10/06/2025 23:27

ZoggyStirdust · 10/06/2025 23:24

Look just give up trying to convince me my friends (who you do not know) are abusers. I don’t know why you’re so hell bent on it.

I'm not trying to convince you. I am telling you the laws of probability make it so. You are just accepting whatever anyone tells you because the world as it stands means that abusers have created a world where they can lie and be believed. Usually about women and falsely accuse them.

This is why abusers get away with abusing for so long. People believe their public persona of 'nice person' and believe any tripe they say.

ZoggyStirdust · 10/06/2025 23:30

Fetaface · 10/06/2025 23:27

I'm not trying to convince you. I am telling you the laws of probability make it so. You are just accepting whatever anyone tells you because the world as it stands means that abusers have created a world where they can lie and be believed. Usually about women and falsely accuse them.

This is why abusers get away with abusing for so long. People believe their public persona of 'nice person' and believe any tripe they say.

Ffs
whatever

Fetaface · 10/06/2025 23:31

ZoggyStirdust · 10/06/2025 23:30

Ffs
whatever

Sorry you just learnt and were shocked that abusers lie to get away with their crimes and falsely accuse their victims.

ZoggyStirdust · 10/06/2025 23:42

Fetaface · 10/06/2025 23:31

Sorry you just learnt and were shocked that abusers lie to get away with their crimes and falsely accuse their victims.

How dare you

you, a total stranger who knows nothing about me or my friends, are dismissing my actual experiences.

my friend of 30 years, who was in tears last week as his ex wife won’t let him see his daughter and he’s spent so much on court and solicitors he may lose his house, has done nothing wrong but you are saying he’s a lying abuser and I’m naive for believing him.

anecdotal, yes I know. Not all women, yes I know

but how fucking dare you say all men denied access are lying abusers!

Fetaface · 11/06/2025 20:49

ZoggyStirdust · 10/06/2025 23:42

How dare you

you, a total stranger who knows nothing about me or my friends, are dismissing my actual experiences.

my friend of 30 years, who was in tears last week as his ex wife won’t let him see his daughter and he’s spent so much on court and solicitors he may lose his house, has done nothing wrong but you are saying he’s a lying abuser and I’m naive for believing him.

anecdotal, yes I know. Not all women, yes I know

but how fucking dare you say all men denied access are lying abusers!

I never said ALL men denied access are lying abusers. Now you are a false accuser and fabricating things.

If you bothered reading it I said most are and some will be victims but you couldn't read it properly because you cannot see past your anger in me saying the truth which is that most are liars.

Do you understand what most means? That doesn't mean ALL. Basic maths that 3 and 4 year olds understand but it seems you do not. Or are you now just saying ALL because it is more dramatic and you are pissed I highlighted how easily it is for people to be duped by abusers and you feel foolish?

I never said ALL so you are lying to get attention and for a reason to get your anger out on me. You wouldn't have an argument to say you are pissed I said most are as that is factually correct and because I also said some are victims you would have to acknowledge that I said some men are victims which you do not want to acknowledge because it isn't as dramatic for you to say that.

You want to paint a picture about me that doesn't exist and is based on your own lies, fabrications, false accusations, humiliation and misogyny. You also are pissed and needed to vent but had to have a reason to vent so made up a reason.

Maybe you need to learn to read as your reading skills are very poor right now.

So why are you lying and saying I said ALL men? How fucking dare you falsely accuse - proving me correct in how easily it is to falsely accuse someone as you are now a false accuser and a liar!

You do not know if he has done something wrong. All you know is what he's told you. I've not said he is a lying abuser I have said the laws of probability is that out of the men who keep coming to you for sympathy some will be.

More lies and false accusations from you. So yes you are one of the women who lie. Thanks for proving me correct!

ZoggyStirdust · 12/06/2025 07:49

Fetaface · 11/06/2025 20:49

I never said ALL men denied access are lying abusers. Now you are a false accuser and fabricating things.

If you bothered reading it I said most are and some will be victims but you couldn't read it properly because you cannot see past your anger in me saying the truth which is that most are liars.

Do you understand what most means? That doesn't mean ALL. Basic maths that 3 and 4 year olds understand but it seems you do not. Or are you now just saying ALL because it is more dramatic and you are pissed I highlighted how easily it is for people to be duped by abusers and you feel foolish?

I never said ALL so you are lying to get attention and for a reason to get your anger out on me. You wouldn't have an argument to say you are pissed I said most are as that is factually correct and because I also said some are victims you would have to acknowledge that I said some men are victims which you do not want to acknowledge because it isn't as dramatic for you to say that.

You want to paint a picture about me that doesn't exist and is based on your own lies, fabrications, false accusations, humiliation and misogyny. You also are pissed and needed to vent but had to have a reason to vent so made up a reason.

Maybe you need to learn to read as your reading skills are very poor right now.

So why are you lying and saying I said ALL men? How fucking dare you falsely accuse - proving me correct in how easily it is to falsely accuse someone as you are now a false accuser and a liar!

You do not know if he has done something wrong. All you know is what he's told you. I've not said he is a lying abuser I have said the laws of probability is that out of the men who keep coming to you for sympathy some will be.

More lies and false accusations from you. So yes you are one of the women who lie. Thanks for proving me correct!

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Nah, not engaging with you any more

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Badhunny · 12/06/2025 16:41

Are you talking about the silent male loneliness epidemic? Because why do I keep hearing about it so much if it’s suppose to be silent? Men have done this to themselves, they can sort it out by themselves. Even a problem they have created themselves, women are still expected to fix it.

Badhunny · 12/06/2025 16:45

FrippEnos · 08/06/2025 19:21

A thread that has already answered and given examples of why men don't open up about their emotions.

Poor men

Badhunny · 12/06/2025 16:48

housesellin · 08/06/2025 19:16

You mean, men are facing the consequences of their own actions?

Maybe if men stopped killing their partners, they’d have someone to talk to and express themselves with :)

I’m so glad more women are calling men out on their bullshit behaviour. But also pick me girls 👀

Badhunny · 12/06/2025 16:59

Taytayslayslay · 08/06/2025 19:40

How come we never stop hearing about men's mental health issues, but they claim they can't talk about it?

All I ever see on any social media is men talking about stuff, podcasts where they're vile about women. They need to build their own communities and seek therapy / support. It's not for women to fix.

It tends to only be mentioned when men don't like something women say, "oh but men experience this too" okay? What's that gotta do with the subject?

Whenever a story breaks about a woman (say a teacher) abusing a young male, the comments are FILLED with other men saying things like "where were these teachers when I was younger". Why are we expected to take this cause seriously when they don't even take it serious?

I’m sick of hearing “men are so brave to talk about their MH” but women aren’t? When a women is lonely it’s usually seen as something that she has done to herself however when a man is lonely it’s something that society has done to him. These comments prove that some people still think it’s the woman’s fault.

Couldn’t agree more about the comments made about female teachers, imagine if women did that? There would be hell on. There’s also a barely legal category in porn… which targets teen girls, but I don’t think many women are targeting teen boys, apart from Bonnie Blue who has been called a predator and banned from Australia for her stunts, despite the boys being of legal age. I wonder how many male porn stars who had sex with barely legal teen girls have been banned from Australia… never read a story about one yet.

Taytayslayslay · 12/06/2025 17:48

Badhunny · 12/06/2025 16:59

I’m sick of hearing “men are so brave to talk about their MH” but women aren’t? When a women is lonely it’s usually seen as something that she has done to herself however when a man is lonely it’s something that society has done to him. These comments prove that some people still think it’s the woman’s fault.

Couldn’t agree more about the comments made about female teachers, imagine if women did that? There would be hell on. There’s also a barely legal category in porn… which targets teen girls, but I don’t think many women are targeting teen boys, apart from Bonnie Blue who has been called a predator and banned from Australia for her stunts, despite the boys being of legal age. I wonder how many male porn stars who had sex with barely legal teen girls have been banned from Australia… never read a story about one yet.

Bonnie Blue & there was a woman on Tiktok a few months ago (Tasha?) who was dating a teen & it was all women calling her out! Telling her it's wrong etc. Men were mostly silent on the issue. I do empathise but neither gender is free from MH issues and we all suffer and struggle. You have to make a community (I have an online best friend and we vent to each other and it helps us both!). I feel the issue is expecting women to fix the issue by dating these men, being supportive when they don't support anything that impacts our lives.

Also yes! "crazy cat lady" is a common one women get called, but for men it's an 'epidemic'?! Ones a joke, the other is a serious issue apparently..

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