Angry about lenient sentence for murder of elderly man in park

[Thomasina79]

7 years for the boy and three for the girl. This country is pathetic sometimes. A man lost his life while innocently walking his dog. Too sad

What response: you mean the comments of disgust on here? So what's your point, other than bringing Reform to the table, because to do so is in vogue?

Too right. Well done to that MP 👏🏼

This is the most disturbing thing I've heard on Mumsnet and I've read countless disturbing things in here but this one takes the cake.
Somehow, I can imagine you dancing with glee if a loved one who is elderly is murdered and defending the murderer with whole heart behind doors (if there is inheritance in the equation).

This is no reason not to build more prisons.

You can't expect the population to grow and the number of criminals to stay the same.

People die all the time including criminals. My point still stands there is not enough money to build more and many people have campaigned against prisons being built near them. You can’t have it both ways

Yes and those in prison will die at a slower rate, living in a protected bubble as they do. Even if it was the same rate, the number of wronguns outside prison doesn't simply stay level as the population grows. And it's growing fast!

Build prisons in the middle of nowhere for all I care. Better that than have to live among known killers.

You do realise people tend to own the land in the middle of nowhere it’s not a free for all. Prisons also don’t tend to be built rurally anymore as families/ visitors can struggle with access.

OK @sprinklesandshines let's have it your way and let murderers free to kill again. Nice 👍👍

Where did I say that? The best thing to do would be do stop jailing for smaller offences thus there’d be room for killers

Smaller offences like what?

Plenty of people dodge prison already.

Stuff like possession of weed/ drugs. Weed especially is the first one I thought of. Drunk and disorderly/ guys fighting each other. Low level criminal damage. Shoplifting. Low level fraud / employers stealing paltry amounts off large companies.

im not saying these people shouldn’t be heavily punished but leave the jails for murderers, pedos, abusers and and rapists

I disagree. Ignore the low level crimes with slaps on wrists and larger crimes will only increase.

What would you choose as a 'heavy punishment' that isn't jail? 🤔

I notice that the people who advocate for "lock 'em up on a deserted island and throw away the key" never seem to be volunteering to work as an officer in said prisons. Sometimes I think prison officers — who have, I think, the hardest job in the world — find themselves tainted by association with their charges.

But of course, what those people usually mean is "I wish this murderer/rapist could just be executed, to save us all a lot of hassle". And when you ask them about miscarriages of justice, hands are waved vigorously, because nobody thinks that they might be Peter Sullivan one day.

Why not train up unemployed people for the job? Or do you just want volunteers?

Because you cannot force someone to work as a prison guard when they are terrified/ may be an ex victim themselves

The victim’s age was taken as an aggravating factor, both in itself and in considering the culpability - both determine the sentence. I was also quite surprised at the girl’s sentence. I can’t think of a precedent. The boy’s was in line with similar cases.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/The-King-v-D1-and-D2.pdf

Tag, curfew, supervision order, community service.

in response to your last post if there isn’t enough room in jails to house everyone, and if there aren’t the funds nor people wanting jails built near them, not enough land for sale then there is a limit of options.

Stuff like cannabis growth and possession for example jail seems a bit extreme. Ditto people like that woman Lucy Connolly who tweeted that incredibly inappropriate tweet re Southport. Should’ve had a device ban annd curfew but that’s it imo. Another crime that I feel jail is unnecessary for is using counterfeit money. All these people should be punished but I feel aren’t a huge danger to society if properly managed with other types of punishment.

maybe you could privately fund a prison if you’ve got the spare cash. Would you mind if it was built in your road near your children or would that be different?

All new prisons have been built fairly rurally - too expensive to be anywhere else. No-one in power cares about families/visitor access, but it also has a knock on effect on staffing as everyone needs to have a car to get to work.

These are not heavy punishments 🙄

And cannabis ruins lives.

All I can think is you have a fairly charmed life!

Force ? I said to train people who are unemployed for the job.

I think that statement about cannabis really depends on what it is being used for. I’m aware it’s illegal however someone growing/ using it for themselves IMO shouldn’t be jailed. Someone pushing it on young children yes.

You yourself seem incredibly naive. You also can’t say people should go to prison for everything illegal then moan that the prisons should be full.

My point still stands RE training. Not everyone is unemployed because they don’t wish to work at all however a job like being a prison guard is very mentally draining and can cause PTSD to people who are already victims.

@kinkytoesepilepsy runs in my family. an extended family member uses it and finds it stops his seizures that result in status epilepticus. He has not yet been approved for medical marijuana as it’s a long wait. Should he go to jail?

I have epilepsy too personally it doesn’t stop my seizures but if it did I would gladly use it

Same as the police, medical, fire brigade- all are tough jobs. Unemployed people need training options.