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Angry about lenient sentence for murder of elderly man in park

214 replies

Thomasina79 · 05/06/2025 18:38

7 years for the boy and three for the girl. This country is pathetic sometimes. A man lost his life while innocently walking his dog. Too sad

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Butchyrestingface · 06/06/2025 20:36

MolkosTeenageAngst · 05/06/2025 19:11

Are you saying an elderly persons life is worth more than a younger persons? If anything surely it’s worth less, the man was 80 so probably didn’t have many years left anyway. I’m not saying that makes it okay or less horrific, but are you really saying they should have got longer because the man was elderly than they would have if they’d killed a 20 year old, 40 year old, 60 year old?

How on earth did you arrive at that conclusion from what the PP said?

theclampits · 06/06/2025 20:39

Yep shocking isn’t it. Frail old man beaten to death, his neck was broken!! That was a brutal attack. Poor Bhim and his family he’s left behind having to process this.
wtf is wrong with people and CHILDREN for that matter ?!

Portakalkedi · 06/06/2025 21:00

Our justice system is unbelievably poor at sentencing. So this pair will be out in half the stated time, to murder again. What a fucking joke.

NightSweatsNinja · 06/06/2025 21:43

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 06/06/2025 19:37

Come on Keir, where will justice come from, if it doesn't come from you?

The Home Secretary, presumably, since Justice is their remit and nothing to do with the PM.

Eh? Justice is nothing to do with the PM?

As the leader of the country, and his prior life as a prosecutor, I would expect Keir to lead in the fight for justice. Whether he delegates to the Home Secretary, is up to him.

He has the power to make a difference, I would hope.

NoBiscuitsLeftInMyTin · 06/06/2025 22:41

Ive not read all the comments - but the crime is abhorrent - and sentencing is just the same - I don't know what the sentence SHOULD be or where these 'kids' should be punished but I bet the family are rightly in absolute bits - I would be and (probably) very vengeful about it all.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 06/06/2025 22:48

crowsfeet57 · 06/06/2025 20:33

What a vile comment! You should be ashamed for saying this man's life was worth less than a younger person's. I'm sure your parents and grandparents are very proud.

Well they didn’t see anywhere near 80 so I expect if alive they’d agree it’s not a bad age to go…

deusexmacintosh · 06/06/2025 22:50

Pemba · 06/06/2025 15:39

I can understand the hope that young teenagers might be able to grow as people and still make a decent life, so I can understand the wish to rehabilitate. I also understand that the boy had a dysfunctionai upbringing. So I suppose they have to be given a chance due to their ages. I agree the sentences should have been longer though.

However very sadly I don't know if somebody capable of knocking a defenceless old man to the ground and kicking him, then filming it could ever become a decent person. Especially the boy who told a pack of lies about poor Mr Kohli, claiming he had a knife and the boy was defending the girl from him. Ridiculous. Insulting his memory and giving his family more grief.

The judge saw through the boy's 'remorse', however he made ill judged remarks about the attack not being racially motivated. Clearly it was, imo. I should think the Asian community in Leicester will be furious about this and I wouldn't blame them.

The Moors murderer Ian Brady wrote a fascinating book on violent criminality while in prison. (Iirc it is still available to buy on Amazon).

Much of the book is egotistical, sociopathic nonsense from the broken brain of a twisted child abuser - but he does argue that teenagers who commit horrific crimes are already damaged beyond repair and should be removed from society. Brady was caught tying a boy to a lamppost and torturing him when he was only 10 or 11 years old, and several years in an adolescent rehabilitation centre did nothing to curb his sadism. He was already a rapist-murderer in the making by the time he met Myra Hindley. In his opinion, sadists can never change.

The Tate thrower Jonty Bravery didn't stop at throwing a child off a tall building, either - he raped a fellow inmate, and violently bludgeoned a prison nurse, just months after being jailed.

One of Brianna Ghey's killers was also plotting more attacks while in youth prison. The Manchester arena bomber tried to kill a prison officer recently. The James Bulger killers carried on being child sex offenders. These leopards rarely change their spots.

To target a vulnerable, frail 80 year old is blatantlysociopathic. I'd also agree there was a racial element, and the boy didn't target an Asian boy his own age or even a middle aged woman... he picked a defenseless old man.

I could of course be wrong, but I can't imagine he will become a paragon of the community on release. The fact he tried to 'frame' Mr Kholi with such a blatant, laughable lie points to the kind of arrogant, personality disordered thinking that will likely make it impossible to reform him.

sprinklesandshines · 06/06/2025 22:51

deusexmacintosh · 06/06/2025 22:50

The Moors murderer Ian Brady wrote a fascinating book on violent criminality while in prison. (Iirc it is still available to buy on Amazon).

Much of the book is egotistical, sociopathic nonsense from the broken brain of a twisted child abuser - but he does argue that teenagers who commit horrific crimes are already damaged beyond repair and should be removed from society. Brady was caught tying a boy to a lamppost and torturing him when he was only 10 or 11 years old, and several years in an adolescent rehabilitation centre did nothing to curb his sadism. He was already a rapist-murderer in the making by the time he met Myra Hindley. In his opinion, sadists can never change.

The Tate thrower Jonty Bravery didn't stop at throwing a child off a tall building, either - he raped a fellow inmate, and violently bludgeoned a prison nurse, just months after being jailed.

One of Brianna Ghey's killers was also plotting more attacks while in youth prison. The Manchester arena bomber tried to kill a prison officer recently. The James Bulger killers carried on being child sex offenders. These leopards rarely change their spots.

To target a vulnerable, frail 80 year old is blatantlysociopathic. I'd also agree there was a racial element, and the boy didn't target an Asian boy his own age or even a middle aged woman... he picked a defenseless old man.

I could of course be wrong, but I can't imagine he will become a paragon of the community on release. The fact he tried to 'frame' Mr Kholi with such a blatant, laughable lie points to the kind of arrogant, personality disordered thinking that will likely make it impossible to reform him.

What about Robert Thompson who killed James Bulger. Is he not proof of someone who has come through the system and punishment has worked for him.

NoBiscuitsLeftInMyTin · 07/06/2025 06:00

sprinklesandshines · 06/06/2025 22:51

What about Robert Thompson who killed James Bulger. Is he not proof of someone who has come through the system and punishment has worked for him.

It certainly didnt work for his pal - Jon Venables(?)

LadyGillingham · 07/06/2025 06:30

MolkosTeenageAngst · 05/06/2025 19:11

Are you saying an elderly persons life is worth more than a younger persons? If anything surely it’s worth less, the man was 80 so probably didn’t have many years left anyway. I’m not saying that makes it okay or less horrific, but are you really saying they should have got longer because the man was elderly than they would have if they’d killed a 20 year old, 40 year old, 60 year old?

Wow, who are you to decide that an older man’s worth is less that a young person’s? Sure, if that was your father, you’d have valued him more?

Lindajonesjustcantlivemylife · 07/06/2025 06:32

Surely unduly lenient sentencing and should be reviewed.

NoBiscuitsLeftInMyTin · 07/06/2025 06:54

Lindajonesjustcantlivemylife · 07/06/2025 06:32

Surely unduly lenient sentencing and should be reviewed.

I am sure it will be - makes you question the Judges judgement thou' as there are an awful lot of people who think this was ridiculously lenient.

JMSA · 07/06/2025 06:55

As someone who works with challenging young people, I can GUARANTEE that these two will have had shit home lives.
I am not excusing their actions. Not for a moment. But family is generally at the root of everything. And these will be rotten at the core.

MoominUnderWater · 07/06/2025 06:57

LadyGillingham · 07/06/2025 06:30

Wow, who are you to decide that an older man’s worth is less that a young person’s? Sure, if that was your father, you’d have valued him more?

Edited, I Mis read the post you had quoted.

Lindajonesjustcantlivemylife · 07/06/2025 07:02

I sometimes feel we're witnessing a societal break down.
The gang's with balaclavas,E bike's used for anti social purposes,county lines, kids killing kids for the most absurd reasons.
I don't have answers but how in hell did we arrive at this point.

MintChocCat · 07/06/2025 07:08

Lindajonesjustcantlivemylife · 07/06/2025 07:02

I sometimes feel we're witnessing a societal break down.
The gang's with balaclavas,E bike's used for anti social purposes,county lines, kids killing kids for the most absurd reasons.
I don't have answers but how in hell did we arrive at this point.

Agreed

NoBiscuitsLeftInMyTin · 07/06/2025 07:17

Lindajonesjustcantlivemylife · 07/06/2025 07:02

I sometimes feel we're witnessing a societal break down.
The gang's with balaclavas,E bike's used for anti social purposes,county lines, kids killing kids for the most absurd reasons.
I don't have answers but how in hell did we arrive at this point.

There was an issue in S Wales last year(?) where two lads on a £4k E bike were followed/chased by police and they were killed when they hit a bus. The story was that their aunt had bought it as a present which seemed a very likely story.

About 8 weeks later we had a family on holiday who lived two streets away told us all about them as they'd known them for years. These lads had been given the bike for delivering little packages around the area by the local dealers. Its shit for the kids, and the families involved - and the police who got hauled over the coals for 'chasing' them - nobody wins. The truth came out about 8months later but no dealers were caught/prosecuted etc. :-(

Rispa42 · 07/06/2025 07:20

JMSA · 07/06/2025 06:55

As someone who works with challenging young people, I can GUARANTEE that these two will have had shit home lives.
I am not excusing their actions. Not for a moment. But family is generally at the root of everything. And these will be rotten at the core.

That’s really no excuse. This crime was absolutely shocking.

PsychoHotSauce · 07/06/2025 07:22

MolkosTeenageAngst · 05/06/2025 19:11

Are you saying an elderly persons life is worth more than a younger persons? If anything surely it’s worth less, the man was 80 so probably didn’t have many years left anyway. I’m not saying that makes it okay or less horrific, but are you really saying they should have got longer because the man was elderly than they would have if they’d killed a 20 year old, 40 year old, 60 year old?

I think that if they had targeted a child much younger than them (say a 5-7 year old) then the vulnerability and inability to fight back/run away would have been considered. The same applies for the elderly too, or should.

MixedBananas · 07/06/2025 07:22

PerkingFaintly · 05/06/2025 18:59

Of course tt's not like there's an age when such violence IS understandable.

Just, how have they got themselves (how have other people got them) to that place where they behaved like that. At those ages.

The parents. These kids usually come from awful homes where they witness violence snd the parents are cretins.

sprinklesandshines · 07/06/2025 07:56

NoBiscuitsLeftInMyTin · 07/06/2025 06:00

It certainly didnt work for his pal - Jon Venables(?)

That doesn’t mean it won’t work for these children or at least one of them

MintChocCat · 07/06/2025 08:09

MixedBananas · 07/06/2025 07:22

The parents. These kids usually come from awful homes where they witness violence snd the parents are cretins.

I hope their families are investigated… safeguarding grounds… probably a real lack of parental supervision

Dangermoo · 07/06/2025 08:13

sprinklesandshines · 07/06/2025 07:56

That doesn’t mean it won’t work for these children or at least one of them

I admire your faith.

ButterCrackers · 07/06/2025 08:17

An absolute disgrace. This scum needs to be put away for life. Their families taken off benefits for life. There has to be a consequence.

Christmasbear1 · 07/06/2025 08:33

They should punish the parents like they do in America.

Also we need justice for Shawn seesahai. A 19 year old that came to England for eye surgery and was murderd by a 12 year old!