Angry about lenient sentence for murder of elderly man in park

[Thomasina79]

7 years for the boy and three for the girl. This country is pathetic sometimes. A man lost his life while innocently walking his dog. Too sad

I don’t really think it’s a YABU / YANBU sort of discussion, because there’s so much nuance that I doubt anyone thinks that anything about this case is “reasonable.”

The decision to charge manslaughter and not murder is shocking. I really feel for the family and can’t imagine how I wouldn’t be utterly furious if it was my relative. As an aside - he had such a nice smile in photos, it’s heartbreaking.

The sentence should be harsher because he was more vulnerable than a young, fit person would be.

He might not have had a lot of years left, we'll never know. But neither would a young person with a life limiting illness, doesn't mean it's less serious to kill them.

Would you be so liberal and forgiving if it was your frail father? We are all products of our environment. They have it in them to be evil. It’s their nature not how they’ve been nurtured. You are right though that their parents should be held to account also. Remove them all from society.

Well I'm glad I don't know those people.

Yes, an 80 year old is far less able to defend themselves, or recover. Hence his death.

Its right to punish something so henious, no matter what their backgrounds. Its right to keep them away from society to protect others and show others of the conseuences.

It doesnt mean their mitgating factors are ignored, they are supported and treated while incarcerated, likely hopefully having therapy and victim restoration type work

But it doesnt take away there has to be consequences.

They are old enough to know killing someone is wrong. Stuff their upbringing, I'm fed up of it being used as an excuse for scroats to do what they want.

One thing that resonated with me is that the boy reportedly liked to maintain a 'hard man' image.

Exactly how 'hard' do you need to be to brutally attack an 80yo?

I suppose the good things are they will be removed from whoever has been their key (loathsome) influences up until now, and have allowed them to develop into such vile creatures.

They will be separated which will only be a good thing. If there is to be any chance of rehabilitation, it has to start now.

I’ve just started a thread about Robert Price aswell very lenient sentences . I’ve contacted MP for Dagenham to raise the concern and request a safeguarding review is done for this poor man

I agree!

It's absolutely disgusting. That poor man and his poor family. What an insult to them. As if they haven't suffered enough.

Compare that sentence to that of the woman serving 17 years in prison for killing a man who was in the process of sexually assaulting her.

This was a pre-planned attack- I am staggered that they got away with murder. The sentence needs referring . It is beyond comprehension that the punishment is so low. 7 years? he will be’out’ in 4 and at 18 he will be even more dangerous. She should also have a locked away rehabilitation sentence. It is so wrong that these feral monsters are treated so leniently because of their backgrounds-they still know right from wrong, they just think they can do as they want with no/few consequences.

If children get a reduced sentence because of their age and lack of maturity, the parents or guardians should also be prosecuted for the balance of the sentence.

Say an adult would get 10 years in prison, and because of their age the child will only get 4. The remaining 6 years should be served by the parents and guardians if applicable.

The crime is the crime and should be sentenced accordingly. If we accept that children should get a shorter sentence because of their immaturity, by extension we must accept that the people responsible for looking after them are also guilty for failing to do so.

Personally I think the two criminals should have got life without the chance of parole - we should be quicker to write off the lives of offenders like these, treat their lives with the same contempt that they treated the life of their victim.

Time to make a change to sentencing guidelines.... adult crimes deserve adult time. Where is the justice for this poor man? Where is the punishment- 14 year old don't live in a bubble - yes teenagers lack impulse control but not to that extent.

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The sentences are sickening. This man's life has been treated as though he's disposable.

The Mirror and the Telegraph are the only papers to put this on the front page this morning.

Yes, I completely agree.

It might make some of these terrible excuses for parents think twice if they know that they could suffer for not bothering to do their job.

I know there are some cases where children go completely off the rails, in spite of their concerned parents' very best efforts; but I think there should be an automatic assumption of severe negligent guilt - and therefore prosecution and punishment - on the part of the parents when children commit serious crimes, until proven otherwise.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander- if the offender's young age is a mitigating factor, surely their victim's vulnerability and fragility also inherently worsens their crime. They singled him out because he was less likely to be able fo fight back. They didn't target a 6ft tall 35 year old boxer.

There aren't any prisons for thirteen year olds. I'm not sure about young offenders units. You're talking about a child, what exactly would you like to happen to her?

Has the judge outlined his reasoning for declaring that the brutal killing of an Asian gentleman by white teenagers who had previously used racially-motivated abusive language towards the same man is not racially motivated?

Does that same judge ever go to his local park and observe feathered creatures swimming in the pond and quacking - and wonder what kind of creatures they could possibly be, as he is sure they definitely can't be ducks?

Its shameful

A racist attack on a vulnerable man. This is just an insult to the family.

Of course she should go to a young offenders unit she needs to go through rehabilitation not just concentrate on her education

• Predominantly white police force doesn't act on reports of racist, anti-social behaviour.
• White teen kills elderly Asian male.
• White judge passes pathetic sentence on white teen.

If this was 2 black or Asian kids killing a white pensioner, the sentence would have been much harsher.

Come on Keir, where will justice come from, if it doesn't come from you?

Absolutely agree