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To be quietly hating my husband

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4seasons · 29/05/2025 06:23

I’ll try to keep it short. Married over 50 years , 2 adult children together. Recent major abdominal surgery for advanced ovarian cancer. Taking some time to get over this but doing ok. Had first chemo a week ago. Horrendous side effects. Last 2 days awful diarrhoea … I have a colostomy so makes life worse.
Am getting angrier and angrier with DH . Yes … he’s cooking our meals now but I did it without comment for years … including when there were 4 of us and I had a full time job .Whilst I was in the middle of a literal shit storm last night ( sorry if TMI) he was fannying around with a clip board writing down temperatures and times . Situation reversed I’d have rung for an ambulance for him but he seems very reluctant to do this . Perhaps I’m not “ ill enough yet “? Eventually he took himself off to bed ( own room ) as he was “ very tired “. I’ve been awake all night for obvious reasons and feel ill and exhausted. He’s still snoring away , nice and comfy.
I asked for an electrolyte replacement sachet yesterday. He got me blackcurrant ones … I’m allergic to blackcurrants. Got me an alternative which I took. I now see on the box it contains live bacteria … I am on chemo and not supposed to take it !!! So now I’m panicking about infection/ sepsis.
It all sounds horribly ungrateful but dear god …common sense, care. Surely it’s not too much to ask ? I’ve done it for years through his health issues.
Only a little thing , but enraging …Went downstairs ( I’ve bedbound for a few days ) …. he’s happily tucking in to a large roast lamb dinner with a glass of red . He looks irritated at my appearance and jumps up to reheat ( yes … REHEAT…. for a chemo patient) a piece of quiche for me. I didn’t realise it wasn’t freshly cooked . There just isn’t any thoughtful genuine care / concern is there ? Or am I just too ill to be rationale ??

OP posts:
butterfly55 · 29/05/2025 09:55

How old is he?

My Dad was 78 when my Mum got ill, and he was beyond useless. He didn't do anything for her like your DH is doing for you. She was often confused (brain tumour) and he would ask her too many questions about what she wanted and then argue when she wouldn't be able to answer. We had to stick posters all over the walls to prompt him, it was ridiculous. Luckily it was mid covid, so my sister and I could rally to help, as we weren't working. The GP said given the emergency circs that we were okay to go in and help.

Gloriia · 29/05/2025 10:00

'It isn’t just chemo diarrhoea—it’s stoma chemo diarrhoea, which can become very dangerous very quickly. She was absolutely right to seek help'

Of course she should seek help but someone on chemo with a stoma will have a plethora of contact numbers for advice and guidance if she needed admitting. Calling for an ambulance isn't necessary.

Fear and anxiety can make us all understandably unreasonable but getting angry over a dry stew won't help anyone.

Worriedsickmostofthetime · 29/05/2025 10:00

butterfly55 · 29/05/2025 09:55

How old is he?

My Dad was 78 when my Mum got ill, and he was beyond useless. He didn't do anything for her like your DH is doing for you. She was often confused (brain tumour) and he would ask her too many questions about what she wanted and then argue when she wouldn't be able to answer. We had to stick posters all over the walls to prompt him, it was ridiculous. Luckily it was mid covid, so my sister and I could rally to help, as we weren't working. The GP said given the emergency circs that we were okay to go in and help.

Exactly. How old are you and your DH? You’ve been married for 50 years so unless you got married in your teens you are likely to be 70 and above. Perhaps you need proper assisted care? Where are your children?

AnonymousBleep · 29/05/2025 10:01

This is the problem with doing everything for a partner for years - when the tables are turned, they don't know how to care for you (and don't really think it's their job). I had this to an extent with my now ex-husband. He's just had a stroke and I am looking after him, although I know he wouldn't do the same if the boot was on the other foot. It wouldn't even occur to him, just like it didn't occur to him to take time off after I came out of hospital a week after having our son, with a million stitches in my bits, having almost died of a massive haemorrage. He just left me to look after the baby on my own, in a basement flat, which meant carrying the pram up the stairs if I wanted to get out.

Anywayyyy. I really do sympathise, OP. But it might be that you're just hating him because you're in pain/misery/fear and he's a bit useless. Wait and see how you feel when you're in a better place in the chemo cycle. Sending healing vibes.

thestudio · 29/05/2025 10:02

Gloriia · 29/05/2025 10:00

'It isn’t just chemo diarrhoea—it’s stoma chemo diarrhoea, which can become very dangerous very quickly. She was absolutely right to seek help'

Of course she should seek help but someone on chemo with a stoma will have a plethora of contact numbers for advice and guidance if she needed admitting. Calling for an ambulance isn't necessary.

Fear and anxiety can make us all understandably unreasonable but getting angry over a dry stew won't help anyone.

She's not getting angry over a dry stew.

She's getting angry because the man she's cared for for half a fucking century can't be arsed to put her first when she's dangerously ill.

ASimpleLampoon · 29/05/2025 10:07

He is putting you at risk its neglect and unacceptable.

I am so sorry I don't know what to advise.

Adult social services?

Klozza · 29/05/2025 10:08

No advise as others have said but I’m SO sorry for what you’re going through, sounds absolutely horrific. The thing that jumps out to me the most is the blackcurrent thing, after being with someone for that long it just seems absolutely ridiculous to not even remember that you’re allergic to something. Maybe it’s just me because I have a serious allergy myself, but I’ve never forgotten a partners allergies, whether it’s a short or long term relationship.

Gloriia · 29/05/2025 10:09

thestudio · 29/05/2025 10:02

She's not getting angry over a dry stew.

She's getting angry because the man she's cared for for half a fucking century can't be arsed to put her first when she's dangerously ill.

He is trying and just like everyone he is making mistakes, he hasn't just left her to it. Yes getting a rehydration thing with live bacteria is apparently not recommended but if they're unsafe they really shouldn't sell them.

I've been there and my dh maybe didn't do things to my standards but so what. More important things fo focus on.

Ponoka7 · 29/05/2025 10:12

justasking111 · 29/05/2025 09:30

I would write out the list of what you can and can't eat and stick it up on the kitchen wall.

I would also call an ambulance myself because I can answer the questions correctly.

It isn't that simple. When you have a stoma you adjust and change your diet according to your output. I ask my DP what his output is like and plan meals around that. It changes as time moves on. Salty crackers, white bread and salted crisps are about the only staples.

@Gloriia I don't know why you are ignoring the issue of the stoma. As has been pointed out, diarrhea can be very dangerous, very quickly.

@Moonlightexpress having a stoma in the first year, particularly and with a high output really restricts what you can eat. I go to my DD's to eat Indian. I sneak mushrooms into my portion of food. I eat fruit and drink alcohol in my friend's houses. It's tough going with a stoma, but at least they are still here.

LondonJax · 29/05/2025 10:13

I do think he sounds a bit like someone who's had another person cooking and doing the family admin for 50 years...which is what he is. He's never had to really think about all the family/house stuff and now he 'thinks' he's doing his best. But he could do better, that's obvious.

I think it's time for a chat about what you need. He's either not aware of the danger things like re-heated food puts you in or his head is in the clouds (sometimes that's a coping mechanism - deny, deny, deny - if something is wrong with someone you love). He needs to get it into his head that he can help to keep you safe with some very basic rules.

I think someone up thread mentioned about doing a meal plan together. I think that's a good idea. You know, instinctively, what you need to eat and when but can't provide it. He has the legs and health to provide it but no clue about what to do. Combined effort.

As for the ambulance. If you felt you needed one you need to either insist he calls one or call one yourself. I'm a very 'let's see if it gets better' type of person so I'd probably close myself into that safe shell before finally calling an ambulance unless the person said 'I need an ambulance'. Though, with a colostomy I'd like to think I'd be on it a little quicker!

This is a very difficult and scary time for both of you - you more than him - and he needs to step up now. If it needs a stern chat to make him do it, it'll be worth it. You shouldn't need to do that, but we've all got our 'shells' that we use to protect ourselves when things are frightening/overwhelming/too much. He needs to break his open now to protect you.

thestudio · 29/05/2025 10:16

Gloriia · 29/05/2025 10:09

He is trying and just like everyone he is making mistakes, he hasn't just left her to it. Yes getting a rehydration thing with live bacteria is apparently not recommended but if they're unsafe they really shouldn't sell them.

I've been there and my dh maybe didn't do things to my standards but so what. More important things fo focus on.

What could be more important than making sure

  1. he doesn’t put her in danger
  2. she feels protected and cared for during this terrifying time?
Moonlightexpress · 29/05/2025 10:16

Ponoka7 · 29/05/2025 10:12

It isn't that simple. When you have a stoma you adjust and change your diet according to your output. I ask my DP what his output is like and plan meals around that. It changes as time moves on. Salty crackers, white bread and salted crisps are about the only staples.

@Gloriia I don't know why you are ignoring the issue of the stoma. As has been pointed out, diarrhea can be very dangerous, very quickly.

@Moonlightexpress having a stoma in the first year, particularly and with a high output really restricts what you can eat. I go to my DD's to eat Indian. I sneak mushrooms into my portion of food. I eat fruit and drink alcohol in my friend's houses. It's tough going with a stoma, but at least they are still here.

Ah ok.. apologies I didnt realise this. I also didnt understand op had a stoma!

ASimpleLampoon · 29/05/2025 10:17

@4seasons please ignore the eejits on here gaslight I g you and telling you its not a big deal.

This is serious. I hope you can get some outside help and someone can get it through your husbands thick skull that he needs to choose to be competent in this occasion.

ticktickticktickBOOM · 29/05/2025 10:17

Perhaps you should end things with him and deal with it yourself.

Sounds like you'd prefer that.

C152 · 29/05/2025 10:18

MrsSkylerWhite · 29/05/2025 09:34

This.

I would have no idea about the hydration sachets (which, to be fair, you asked him to buy). Why did the meal irritate you so much? Could you have eaten that/drank wine in your current condition or would it have made you feel ill?

I think he’s trying but just doesn’t know how to cope over 50 years of you doing everything.

Wishing you all the best.

I respectfully disagree. Someone who wanted to care for their partner but didn't know how would find out how. They'd google the information or ring/email the CNS or the hospital ward they've been given the telephone number for.

You would know -hopefully - after 50 years of marriage, what your partner was allergic to. So you would know NOT to buy a hydration sachet that contained the fruit they are allergic to.

With the food, hospitals REALLY hammer home what you shouldn't eat (no processed meat or fish, like ham or smoked salmon; no take-aways; no re-heated food etc), to minimise the risk of infection, so if the OPs DH has been to every meeting, he would know this. (And the DH may not know this yet, but infection for chemo patients can get very severe, very quickly. I don't know if it's the same for adults, but when DC had an infection, it meant 3 weeks in hospital, trying to get it under control enough for him to go back to the other hospital for his next round of chemo.)

OP - I'm sorry you're going through this. There are no words for how awful it is, and it's worse when you know you've got no one to rely on but yourself. You say your DH has been pretty good over the years in general, so try to keep talking to him and explain what you need. Are there any friends or neighbours that can rally around to help? What type of learner is your DH? Does he take in information by reading or watching? If it's by watching, you could try something like watching something relevant together e.g. there's a video on YouTube by Dr Amy, who gives tips on what to eat during the different chemo stages (obviously, check with your Dr that this is appropriate for you, but it sounds like common sense e.g. on chemo day, take a variety of small snacks that are calorie dense, so you don't have to eat as much to get the calories your body needs). That could then lead into a genunie discussion about what snacks would be good for you on chemo days, then what meals would be good to support you in between chemo sessions etc; then DH would have a list and could shop appropriately. It is ridiculous that some men have to be spoon fed (no pun intended), but if it gets you the help you need, needs must.

RusticChill · 29/05/2025 10:20

When I had chemo my (ex)husband cooked food that could have made me ill, as well. He’d been to appointments and listened to discussions, but still did his own sweet thing. If it didn’t matter to him, then he just didn’t bother, and for some irrational reason felt the food safety rules were just being wrapped up in cotton wool. What made matters worse was he was in the medical field so had a decent grasp on chemo and the immune system. He was a narcissistic abuser too though, so I couldn’t tell whether it was deliberate or ignorance. Regardless, it made me feel unsafe, inadequately cared for, and frightened at the idea of any deteriorate to the point I might need to fully rely on him.

I remember I once felt I needed to go to hospital because I couldn’t breathe. I had covid cough and a medical colleague of his had died recently from the same, so you’d have thought he would be even more hyper-vigilant. I remember he sat on the bed looking for ages, silently looking at me with a cold, hard stare, and I wondered if he actually wanted me dead. We had begun talking about separation a few months before, and it scared me he didn’t call an ambulance because it would be cheaper look better to be widowed rather than divorced, so he was debating whether to just let me go. Eventually he broke his silence by coldly suggesting I might grab the blue inhaler and spray 10-20 times to see if that helps. He then disappeared downstairs and left me to it. I was so frightened that I was too breathless to talk, and couldn’t talk on a 999 call if I needs to. I used the sprays and obviously lived to tell the tale, and in the morning when I asked why he had been like that, he said that the fact I’m still alive this morning proves he was right not to bother them.

From what you’ve written, your DH isn’t in the same category as my ex was, but when I read about your ambulance, I did wonder what stopped you calling for one? You didn’t say, but I wonder if it’s because you weren’t sure if it was necessary as well?By the same token, you asked for his advice over a decision you had to make and couldn’t decide, and he was non-committal, but I wonder whether he didn’t know what to do just like you , which is why you were asking his advice in the first place .

On the one hand, I wonder how much of the way you felt towards him is part of the grieving process and you are in the anger part. And on the other hand, I wondered how much he might be floundering more than normal because of his grieving process (denial). Cancer and chemotherapy understandably invoke a lot of fear and the loss of health is a grief process. There is an awful lot for you to get around with the colostomy bag too, and all in all, feeling weak and ill must just be awful. You deserve to be looked after as well, as if you were in hospital, but sometimes even with the best will in the world, people don’t deliver the same level of care that you would. And it can hurt and feel frustrating, and we can ask ourselves why on the Earth we are so capable of giving that to other people but they are so incapable of giving that to us? And all of it is so understandable and all part of the awful rough ride of what you’re going through, and I’m so sorry that you are going through it. I hope the side effects lessen and effective for you.

Mumofsoontobe3 · 29/05/2025 10:25

I didn’t want to read and run but I have no advice. Just wishing you well and I hope your health improves soon, take care of yourself!

Gloriia · 29/05/2025 10:26

' don't know why you are ignoring the issue of the stoma. As has been pointed out, diarrhea can be very dangerous, very quickly.'
I'm not ignoring it. The op will have a direct line to a highly specialised stoma nurse for advice, plus her chemo team etc. Yes seek advice but an ambulance to an a&e full of germs is not the first port of call.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 29/05/2025 10:26

I feel for both of you. Your DH has been thrown in to a complicated situation that he obviously feels unable and unqualified to handle. He must be scared to death and possibly sticking his head in the sand a little bit about how severe it all is. He's watching illness of his wife of over 50 years, perhaps a little bit confused (because there is just SO MUCH information to take in and you've got to be come an expert overnight). I know we all think that we would have read everything and got up to speed immediately, but at over 70? Out of nowhere? It's tough. He just needs someone (perhaps a HCP) to tell him just how dangerous mucking it up can be, and what needs particular attention and I'm sure he's not doing any of this deliberately.

And OP, I feel for you too. You've also been thrown into a terrifying situation and you're having to rely on others to help you, which must be scary after years of managing everyone. Cut yourself some slack too. You are allowed to be scared and upset and on edge. But I remember doing some caring for my mum, who had a stoma and cancer and had been quite ill. I was stepping in for her usual carer for a few days (I lived a very long way away and wasn't au fait with her day to day care) and she was very much treating me as though I were stupid for not knowing all the things that needed doing and not jumping in immediately to forestall events that I didn't know were happening. It did upset me, I wanted to help her but I didn't know how and she wouldn't explain - just expected me to know.

My very best wishes for a full recovery.

Gloriia · 29/05/2025 10:29

RusticChill · 29/05/2025 10:20

When I had chemo my (ex)husband cooked food that could have made me ill, as well. He’d been to appointments and listened to discussions, but still did his own sweet thing. If it didn’t matter to him, then he just didn’t bother, and for some irrational reason felt the food safety rules were just being wrapped up in cotton wool. What made matters worse was he was in the medical field so had a decent grasp on chemo and the immune system. He was a narcissistic abuser too though, so I couldn’t tell whether it was deliberate or ignorance. Regardless, it made me feel unsafe, inadequately cared for, and frightened at the idea of any deteriorate to the point I might need to fully rely on him.

I remember I once felt I needed to go to hospital because I couldn’t breathe. I had covid cough and a medical colleague of his had died recently from the same, so you’d have thought he would be even more hyper-vigilant. I remember he sat on the bed looking for ages, silently looking at me with a cold, hard stare, and I wondered if he actually wanted me dead. We had begun talking about separation a few months before, and it scared me he didn’t call an ambulance because it would be cheaper look better to be widowed rather than divorced, so he was debating whether to just let me go. Eventually he broke his silence by coldly suggesting I might grab the blue inhaler and spray 10-20 times to see if that helps. He then disappeared downstairs and left me to it. I was so frightened that I was too breathless to talk, and couldn’t talk on a 999 call if I needs to. I used the sprays and obviously lived to tell the tale, and in the morning when I asked why he had been like that, he said that the fact I’m still alive this morning proves he was right not to bother them.

From what you’ve written, your DH isn’t in the same category as my ex was, but when I read about your ambulance, I did wonder what stopped you calling for one? You didn’t say, but I wonder if it’s because you weren’t sure if it was necessary as well?By the same token, you asked for his advice over a decision you had to make and couldn’t decide, and he was non-committal, but I wonder whether he didn’t know what to do just like you , which is why you were asking his advice in the first place .

On the one hand, I wonder how much of the way you felt towards him is part of the grieving process and you are in the anger part. And on the other hand, I wondered how much he might be floundering more than normal because of his grieving process (denial). Cancer and chemotherapy understandably invoke a lot of fear and the loss of health is a grief process. There is an awful lot for you to get around with the colostomy bag too, and all in all, feeling weak and ill must just be awful. You deserve to be looked after as well, as if you were in hospital, but sometimes even with the best will in the world, people don’t deliver the same level of care that you would. And it can hurt and feel frustrating, and we can ask ourselves why on the Earth we are so capable of giving that to other people but they are so incapable of giving that to us? And all of it is so understandable and all part of the awful rough ride of what you’re going through, and I’m so sorry that you are going through it. I hope the side effects lessen and effective for you.

Oh this sounds awful I'm so sorry for what you endured he sounds absolutely awful. Hope you're well now Flowers.

BerlinSky · 29/05/2025 10:32

Tutorpuzzle · 29/05/2025 06:50

I’m in total disagreement with pp’s. He sounds like a contemptible arse.
Do you have any money you can throw at this? Part-time housekeeper, meals being delivered, carer in a couple of times a day? He doesn’t want to care for you, so you’re going to have to find care elsewhere and then bin the husband when you’re better.
I hope all goes well with your treatment.

Totally agree, it's his turn to step up for once and he can't even manage the basics it seems. I've just lost my 45 year old husband to glioblastoma brain cancer within the span of 3 months, and I tried to do everything I could for him, researched everything I could, because I love him and I wanted to try anything to help him and it boggles me your husband wouldn't do the same. He doesn't even sound like he's trying and people are giving him a pass just because 'he hasn't gone through this before'. Nor have you! He needs to step up.

AbiMum1 · 29/05/2025 10:33

Try to be patient with him, I know this is easier said than done. I’m currently sat with my cold cap on receiving chemotherapy for breast cancer as we speak. It’s a really stressful time and I must admit my partner has been very supportive and is very involved with all of my care and decisions to be made. We are relatively young in our early 30’s so I think that makes it easier. I’m not sure of your husbands age but I know for older men it’s harder for them to get used to the change in dynamics and the fact they need to take over tasks that you would usually do and have done for years. He definitely needs to realise though that getting you through this time is currently the priority and things like rugby and the normal things he enjoys need to go on the back burner a little more especially when you’re really suffering like you currently are. He also should be checking on your throughout the night when you really aren’t well instead of just ensuring he gets his 8 hours sleep. It gets easier you will have good days too soon enough! Wishing you a speedy recovery!! X

BookWorm7 · 29/05/2025 10:35

Sorry for everything you are currently going through. To all those people who are saying well maybe he didn't know, did someone tell him... if it was me and I had a loved one going through this I would be reading up on everything and making sure I had the facts. I would be making sure I knew what you could have and what you couldn't. I don't think in a day of the internet at our fingertips that ignorance is any kind of excuse these days.

Maybe he's feeling overwhelmed, it must be difficult for him worrying about you and having to suddenly step up to the plate and take over things which you have always done but you know what, if he didn't know something he could easily check and where something as serious as cancer and chemo is concerned he should be double and triple checking everything. Hope you are feeling better soon and back to your old self!

Lucythesquirrel · 29/05/2025 10:39

I’m sorry you are going through this, it sounds very hard and you are likely to be very frustrated at the closest people around you, anyone would be!

I am a nurse and work very closely with people with cancer and their families, this is an incredibly common story. I actually do not think he sounds like an ‘arse’ whatsoever, it sounds to me as if he is trying his best, honestly I think men are just wired differently, he likely wouldn’t have even thought about bacteria or allergies he thought oh right this is what she needs let’s get her it. You’ve likely been running the house for years and now he’s had to step up and it’s all new to him. I reckon as long as he is trying and not completely abandoning you then give him a little break, maybe just be quite direct in telling him what to do! He will be worried and scared for you as well but probably trying to keep things quite ‘normal’. Tell him directly what you need from him then see if things get better. Carer stress is a very real thing, if you don’t need him at that specific point then let him have his own time (maybe rugby?), give him time to vent to his friends, and he will come back more prepared and ready to help. I honestly don’t think he’s doing this on purpose. The point you mentioned about him jotting down temperatures etc oh my goodness I have seen this so many times!! You’re not alone.

good luck and I hope you feel better soon xx

MyKingdomForACat · 29/05/2025 10:40

Barney16 · 29/05/2025 07:15

I can imagine my dad faffing about with a clipboard if my mum was as poorly as you (I hope you start to feel a bit better soon). My mum has always told my dad what to do, generally he does what she says and everything putters along nicely. Is your husband scared do you think? I think he sounds incompetent and unnerved rather than malicious. But he needs to step up and get with the programme. I would give him another chance but ultimately you may have to recognise he's useless in this situation and if you can afford it get some paid help.

Agree he’s probably scared. My dad was like this when my mum had cancer. I think it’s like the rug being pulled from under everyone’s feet and if the woman usually runs the home it’s the enforced change of routine that sends even the best husbands into a spin. They don’t do the jobs how we would do them and how we like them done. No doubt it’ll settle down. Best wishes to you OP x

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