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Child Benefit Rival Claim Ex Partner Earning Loads!!!!! part 2

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ProlongedAffair · 22/05/2025 14:44

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5294980-child-benefit-rival-claim-ex-partner-earning-loads?reply=144269354

I can’t write on the previous thread anymore, so I’ve created this one for people interested in the outcome of the CMS case. I’m committed to telling people what the outcome is regardless of whether it goes my way or not.

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Me and my ex share 50/50 of our two children, it’s not court ordered but has been in place for the past few years. A few months ago I put in a claim f...

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SheilaFentiman · 07/10/2025 16:33

PuppyKeep · 07/10/2025 16:30

so, if OP is claiming 2 CB and 2 UC child elements, and she has 50/50, she will likely lose 1 CB and 1 UC child element? Even though her ex can't claim UC?

Here's the first thread, which may help (and may boggle your mind)...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5294980-child-benefit-rival-claim-ex-partner-earning-loads?reply=144269354

InterIgnis · 07/10/2025 16:36

PuppyKeep · 07/10/2025 16:21

Where would it get the idea from?

Same place it got the idea that taking a bath with a toaster was a fabulous way to unwind.

It collects information from across the internet without the necessary quality control. It reports misinformation and jokes as facts.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd11gzejgz4o

https://searchengineland.com/google-ai-overview-fails-442575

Child Benefit Rival Claim Ex Partner Earning Loads!!!!! part 2
ARichtGoodDram · 07/10/2025 16:38

so, if OP is claiming 2 CB and 2 UC child elements, and she has 50/50, she will likely lose 1 CB and 1 UC child element? Even though her ex can't claim UC?

Yes. If someone is claiming 2CB and has 50/50 then, if the other parent claims the CB they will likely lose 1.

However, in this case you should keep in mind that her ex was happily allowing the OP to claim 2 CB and paying her £300 a month and only claimed the CB when the Op went to CMS after hearing he'd had a payrise.

Laura95167 · 07/10/2025 16:41

SheilaFentiman · 07/10/2025 15:39

OK, but....

  1. who does the child spend most of their time with when they are not at school, nursery or childcare - THIS WAS 50/50
  2. who pays for most of the child’s clothes and meals - PRESUME MEALS WERE ALSO 50/50. CLOTHES MAY NOT HAVE BEEN
  3. who arranges and pays for any childcare costs - NONE, AS DC ARE TEENAGERS
  4. who is the usual contact for the child`s school and, or child-minder - PROBABLY OP
  5. whose GP and dentist is the child registered with and who arranges appointments and accompanies the child - SEEMS OP DID A BIT MORE BUT XP DID THE PRIVATE MEDICAL SO MAYBE 60/40
  6. who has the greatest involvement with the child`s recreational activities and is responsible for paying for them - SOUNDS LIKE BOTH PAID TOWARDS EG SCHOOL TRIPS SO 50/50
  7. who already receives any fnancial support for the child, such as benefts or local authority assistance." - OP DID GET BOTH CB BUT ACTUALLY XP HAD EVERY RIGHT TO GET AT LEAST ONE OF THE CB ON A 50/50 CARE SPLIT

And that was at the point of claim. ExP now has DC1 80% and DC2 58%. He gets CB for one of the children.

InterIgnis · 07/10/2025 16:44

ARichtGoodDram · 07/10/2025 16:38

so, if OP is claiming 2 CB and 2 UC child elements, and she has 50/50, she will likely lose 1 CB and 1 UC child element? Even though her ex can't claim UC?

Yes. If someone is claiming 2CB and has 50/50 then, if the other parent claims the CB they will likely lose 1.

However, in this case you should keep in mind that her ex was happily allowing the OP to claim 2 CB and paying her £300 a month and only claimed the CB when the Op went to CMS after hearing he'd had a payrise.

And that it actually wasn’t a true 50/50 split - he had them more (oh, and he was also solely funding private medical and dental care for them).

SheilaFentiman · 07/10/2025 16:50

Laura95167 · 07/10/2025 16:41

And that was at the point of claim. ExP now has DC1 80% and DC2 58%. He gets CB for one of the children.

YY - I was thinking back to the point that OP put in the CMS claim when they were at 50/50 (give or take one night over 6 months)

ProlongedAffair · 07/10/2025 17:07

I’m not going to post anymore unless I have something meaningful to update.

I care for my children hugely but I’ve effectively been alienated now and each day that passes whilst they live with him they are being more and more convinced I’m terrible.

I’d like anyone who is reading this thread to not listen to CMS or Child benefits, at the end of the day if it’s 50/50 (even if you do more
of the practical care like doctors and dentists and forms) you can end up in a much worse situation, like what’s happened and is still happening to me.

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SheilaFentiman · 07/10/2025 17:10

Best of luck, OP, I hope you and your children can build bridges again.

NewBeginnings77 · 07/10/2025 17:10

Unfortunately OP will now lose UC for both children, may well lose a chunk of any rent from Uc for under occupation and (i think) work allowance will also drop so she will be so much worse off.

ARichtGoodDram · 07/10/2025 17:10

ProlongedAffair · 07/10/2025 17:07

I’m not going to post anymore unless I have something meaningful to update.

I care for my children hugely but I’ve effectively been alienated now and each day that passes whilst they live with him they are being more and more convinced I’m terrible.

I’d like anyone who is reading this thread to not listen to CMS or Child benefits, at the end of the day if it’s 50/50 (even if you do more
of the practical care like doctors and dentists and forms) you can end up in a much worse situation, like what’s happened and is still happening to me.

Still obsessed by forms.

You're going to lose your children forever if you don't stop about the bloody forms.

I have 7 kids and I do not understand your obsession with forms. There ain't that many forms (and that's including 2 with SEN, and one who is in my care through kinship).

ARichtGoodDram · 07/10/2025 17:11

NewBeginnings77 · 07/10/2025 17:10

Unfortunately OP will now lose UC for both children, may well lose a chunk of any rent from Uc for under occupation and (i think) work allowance will also drop so she will be so much worse off.

She has stated she earns around 60k so it is not as impactful as it would be for someone earning minimum wage.

BettysRoasties · 07/10/2025 17:14

ProlongedAffair · 07/10/2025 15:39

He’s got a case open for me but I haven’t paid anything because he said he didn’t want any money he was just opening it to protect himself!! I also don’t see why I should given I shouldered most of the costs and sacrificed my career for all those years whilst he was swanning off.

Oh my so now he can always tell your children that you where money hungry and yet when the shoe is on the other foot didn’t pay even though cms would make you when he paid when he legally did not have too.

Wow you’ve learnt nothing.

Also it doesn’t matter what he did when they were 3/4/5/6/7/8. What matters is today and his the 100% parent and you won’t even voluntary pay for you own children. You are showing them without dad even needing to that this was always about money not them.

Suednymph · 07/10/2025 18:06

ProlongedAffair · 07/10/2025 17:07

I’m not going to post anymore unless I have something meaningful to update.

I care for my children hugely but I’ve effectively been alienated now and each day that passes whilst they live with him they are being more and more convinced I’m terrible.

I’d like anyone who is reading this thread to not listen to CMS or Child benefits, at the end of the day if it’s 50/50 (even if you do more
of the practical care like doctors and dentists and forms) you can end up in a much worse situation, like what’s happened and is still happening to me.

Some of us do 100% and rather than argue the toss about cb or maintenance or beg any man for any money we prefer to parent our kids instead of trying to bleed money from an ex out of bitterness. If you cared as much as you say for your kids THEY should have been your focus not fucking money.

NewBeginnings77 · 07/10/2025 18:13

ARichtGoodDram · 07/10/2025 17:11

She has stated she earns around 60k so it is not as impactful as it would be for someone earning minimum wage.

Must've missed that, ta. Good job really!

NewBeginnings77 · 07/10/2025 18:20

NewBeginnings77 · 07/10/2025 18:13

Must've missed that, ta. Good job really!

Actually just went back and reread post 1, where OP states its ex that earns more than 60k and "significantly more" than her so she could, unfortunately, be in deep shit financially. What a mess

Lougle · 07/10/2025 18:44

PuppyKeep · 07/10/2025 16:22

Thanks, that makes sense.

What are the UK sources that point that AI is wrong on this?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/child-maintenance-decision-makers-guide

The Decision Makers' Guide for Child Maintenance gives all the decision making guidance to assessors.

Child maintenance decision makers' guide

Guidance for DWP decision makers on child maintenance.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/child-maintenance-decision-makers-guide

BettysRoasties · 07/10/2025 18:52

NewBeginnings77 · 07/10/2025 18:20

Actually just went back and reread post 1, where OP states its ex that earns more than 60k and "significantly more" than her so she could, unfortunately, be in deep shit financially. What a mess

I’m sureI read somewhere she was getting some UC. So she’s lost child bed it’s x 2 the £300 maintenance and two children elements on her UC as well as if she gets housing benefit she will now only get the LHA rate for a studio / 1 bed rather than the 2 bed she would of been entitled too.

But more fool her for being greedy.

BettysRoasties · 07/10/2025 18:55

My mistake lots of people
in her company are facing redundancy so she might have to claim.

ApiratesaysYarrr · 07/10/2025 19:01

ProlongedAffair · 07/10/2025 17:07

I’m not going to post anymore unless I have something meaningful to update.

I care for my children hugely but I’ve effectively been alienated now and each day that passes whilst they live with him they are being more and more convinced I’m terrible.

I’d like anyone who is reading this thread to not listen to CMS or Child benefits, at the end of the day if it’s 50/50 (even if you do more
of the practical care like doctors and dentists and forms) you can end up in a much worse situation, like what’s happened and is still happening to me.

"I've effectively been alienated "

Can you not see your own part in this, the alienation isn't something that has been done to you, it sounds like you have done it yourself.

Some people would rather be "right" than be happy.

ThisOldThang · 07/10/2025 19:17

ProlongedAffair · 07/10/2025 17:07

I’m not going to post anymore unless I have something meaningful to update.

I care for my children hugely but I’ve effectively been alienated now and each day that passes whilst they live with him they are being more and more convinced I’m terrible.

I’d like anyone who is reading this thread to not listen to CMS or Child benefits, at the end of the day if it’s 50/50 (even if you do more
of the practical care like doctors and dentists and forms) you can end up in a much worse situation, like what’s happened and is still happening to me.

In all seriousness, I'd like to thank you for having the guts to keep coming back and providing updates.

I'm sorry things have worked out this way, but it's been a very interesting read. I knew nothing about the system until this thread.

steff13 · 07/10/2025 20:11

InterIgnis · 07/10/2025 16:20

That’s why it’s a bad idea to ask AI.

Yeah, I conduct public assistance appeal hearings in the United States. I had a hearing recently with a woman who brought a screenshot from, I think it was Google AI, that said that her income shouldn't count in the budget for the assistance she was receiving. Which is completely false. I would take anything AI with a grain of salt personally.

user1473878824 · 07/10/2025 20:31

ThisOldThang · 07/10/2025 19:17

In all seriousness, I'd like to thank you for having the guts to keep coming back and providing updates.

I'm sorry things have worked out this way, but it's been a very interesting read. I knew nothing about the system until this thread.

OP only kept coming back because she is so sure she is the true victim in this. It’s not bravery it’s complete blindness.

ThisOldThang · 07/10/2025 20:38

user1473878824 · 07/10/2025 20:31

OP only kept coming back because she is so sure she is the true victim in this. It’s not bravery it’s complete blindness.

You're being unfair.

She ended up in a situation where she was set to lose in court, but still provided updates. She knew the situation, but chose to come back and provide updates.

I'm sure she knows that things would have been better if she'd done nothing.

user1473878824 · 07/10/2025 20:39

ThisOldThang · 07/10/2025 20:38

You're being unfair.

She ended up in a situation where she was set to lose in court, but still provided updates. She knew the situation, but chose to come back and provide updates.

I'm sure she knows that things would have been better if she'd done nothing.

I might be but I think you’re being far too fair! She was told REPEATEDLY what would happen. All she could see was pound signs.

SapphOhNo · 07/10/2025 20:45

Why should we learn anything from this thread? You didnt.

Honestly you're in a situation entirely of your creation and you should really reflect on it.

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