To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

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What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

you realise that we’ve never lived under EU law right? All the laws in the U.K. have been voted by a sovereign British parliament.

If you’re talking about rules and regulations (eg on meat quality), you realise that anyone wanting to export to the EU from a third country (which we are) have to follow those rules anyway? Like the US has to follow OUR rules and regulations before export meat to the U.K. (that’s the the recent agreement with the US).

So … what is it that’s so bad?

I actually thought Brexiteers campaigned saying we could agree another trade deal with the EU and they spent years after the referendum trading to do exactly that.

Or is that my mistake and I just imagined that?

Some people, including the OP it seems, are triggered by the very word "Europe". It's most odd.

I wonder where else in the world you have people shrieking about not wanting to be part of the continent their country is located in. I readily admit I'm not an expert on SE Asian trade deals but do you have people on the streets of Vietnam refusing to accept that their country is next to Malaysia?

Oh dear. OP you’re really not making yourself look very bright 🙈

TBF Brexiteers promised rather a lot of things at various points, often contradictory. It was hard to keep track of them all.

You are being very, very unreasonable. They are our closest neighbours and our biggest trading partner. Even the leavers at them time of the vote were describing a soft Brexit. That isn't what we got and we lost billions of pounds as a result.
Pretending we are not part of Europe is nonsense and apart from losing out in trade deals it is also dangerous in a very unsettled world.
We need to be closer to our neighbours not further apart

We voted “out” but what “out” meant was never agreed / voted on.

Tell us exactly how you will be worse off under the terms of this trade deal

Good, you've made my day!

I think particularly committed Leavers should not be travelling to Europe, spending money in the European economy and depriving our ailing hospitality sector the benefit of their £'s. Whilst being drizzled on constantly.

Excellent point

Love me some Europe.

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But also, does a vote made years ago still valid?

Because at the time the conservatives were in power. They’ve been voted out though.
What makes anyone think that ‘WE’ don’t want to be part of the EU because ‘we’ voted that 10 years ago?

Theres somethimg about the right to change your mind. Esp after seeing the damage Brexit has done.

Exactly.

I didn't either. At least this government is trying to address some of the mess Johnson and Frost left us in.

Ok, why?

If you’re one of the idiots that voted for Brexshit then I’m not surprised you’re struggling to actually give any reason. Clueless!

Who do you think we should trade with then?

Which EU law are you thinking about that you don't want to live under?
Not that EU law means anything anyway but I'd like to know what specifically you object to

I’d like closer ties with food safety and environmental laws to protect the bees. I don’t want my food pumped full of experimental chemicals to increase profit margins. So I’d rather we aligned to EU governance than US with poor standards and poor health implications.

The prime minister said: “What the British public will be voting for is to leave the EU and leave the single market.”

Starmer and others like him never accepted the Brexit vote. They don’t really believe in democracy. In their minds we are not bright enough to decide for ourselves, we have to be told what is best for us.

I on the other hand am delighted that some of our business opportunities will improve. That we'll be able- at a time of huge global instability- to rely on each other a bit more for security. And that young people will get te opportunities to work.and study abroad that are so critical to their ability to be part of a global economy. I wish we could do more - but am delighted we get this as a start.

OP I'm sure you'd have voted to physically move the UK further away and replace the channel with boiling oil too if you could.

For the majority of the Brexit negotiations we were discussing much, much softer Brexits than today's announcement. In fact, the assumption for most of 2016-18 was that we'd get an EFTA/Norway type arrangement, or something only slightly harder. We ended up with rock-hard, cliff-edge (insert your favourite metaphor from 2019) Brexit, mainly because of internal Tory infighting (and to be fair a little bit because of internal Labour and Lib Dem infighting) and it's disastrous.