To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

[Viviennemary]

What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

@Rh0dedenr0n You are correct. The big problem was that there had been constant rhetoric dismantling these rational arguments for decades and many voting would either not care, believe the truth, or both. There were many people who did believe the rubbish about being bullied by the EU. Some were normally rational people but some were truly gullible. I’ve just read a piece on Brexit published by a lecturer from the University of Birmingham headed by the word “Referen-dum”. Apt?

The other issue was explaining the benefits of the Eu when simplistic slogans were easily understood. So “Take back control” and everything that alluded to was an easy sell. A slogan for staying never took hold.

The reasons for staying also required a greater understanding of economics, our world position and law. Clearly many people needed easy to understand rhetoric, and it was given to them. It really represents everything that’s wrong with politics and certainly what’s wrong with referen-dums. Complex economics should never be reduced to a yes/no vote.

I left the thread yesterday not because I couldn't answer you but I don't see why I should be pushed around - so what if you were in the room with Brown, Osborne et al. Regarding the bankers' bonus cap (EU v George Osborne) it was feared that top staff and lucrative operations would move to New York or Asia. Most news outlets at the time reported on the lack of significant exemptions. Also, the vote was significant because member states were not normally overruled on law relating to their main national industry.

@Clavinova We also fail to recognise we, as a country, need the tax from these employees and companies. Lose them and our taxation income suffers. This is why Angela Rayner should be resisted now. We should not be taxed more highly or a message sent out that wealthy people are not wanted. RR has ignored her up until now but we are vulnerable after Brexit and need to welcome high earners. Not turn them away.

I thought you had to pop out to Waitrose?

Brexit damaged the City of London far more than any bankers cap, which was easily got round with higher base salaries.

However, Trump may well cause far more harm to NY... hopefully to London's benefit.

But why should tax payers find young people to travel and live in the EU? They should pay themselves if they want to go.

So basically you haven't a clue. Go read up on what we get from Europe!

The answer is no on all counts- no one ever has an answer for this

Well, EU citizens also come here to study, that benefits UK Unis and industries, ever wondered when there is a new medical or scientific break through, the scientist involved is often an EU national working for AZ or at Oxford Uni etc etc?

We either pay for them to study here or in Europe etc, they still need to pay back tuition fees, come back here, get well paid jobs and pay more tax..... or are you another who believes in Isolation UK ?

Braverman took advantage of Erasmus, studied at the Sorbonne, then set about making sure no one else could do the same as her....

Erasmus is about study, not for travel.

The UK should encourage soft power, not curtail it.

Because the experience benefits the country in the long run. It broadens horizons and feeds ambition. It allows young people in left behind places to catch up a bit. Obviously the right wing schtick depends on keeping them down so I wouldn’t expect you to want that.

We need to tax wealth - not earnings. We also need to start taxing profit from UK sales.

Alexandra2001
I thought you had to pop out to Waitrose?

Sadly Waitrose isn't open after 10 pm, although I am looking forward to these promises being delivered;

Starmer emphasised the tangible benefits the deal would do for Britons, including cheaper food in supermarkets and an end to passport queues at European airports.

How much cheaper will my Waitrose shop be? £20 per month? £50? I look forward to European airports being fully staffed with no delays or industrial action as well if Starmer is making these promises.

Alexandra2001
Braverman took advantage of Erasmus, studied at the Sorbonne, then set about making sure no one else could do the same as her...

The scholarship she received to study at the Sorbonne still appears to be available;
https://www.uk.campusfrance.org/entente-cordiale-scholarship-2025-application-schedule

You don’t need more staff, just allow all passengers to use the technology.

As if e-gates are always working/open. Will families with young children under 10 be able to go through unhindered?

I’m assuming this is rage bait? Can you explain one benefit that Brexit has brought us. And tell us exactly what is wrong with the new deal. Not just repeating rubbish you heard 9 years ago.

If you are considering voting Reform what are your opinions on an insurance based health system as they have in the US? That is the Reform position and health care costs are also the main reason for bankruptcy in that country?

I don’t know but families with children under ten are a very small subsection of total passengers. Scraping the barrel yet again.

Yeap.
everyone has what he voted for then.

Plus, what else can we do?

it isn’t about ensuring that there are no delays (we certainly don’t for Heathrow) or saying under 10s can use the gates, like the EHIC card (which doesn’t mean free health care either) it is about being treated on par with an EU citizen or citizen of that country.

so sometimes delays and tech will breakdown

I don't think so - Starmer's promises on airport queues will only be measurable by photos in the media, especially at peak school-holiday time - if there are queues, there are queues.

The UK constitutional doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty was seen as in tension with EU law supremacy. However, courts navigated this by interpreting the ECA 1972 as a form of voluntary acceptance of primacy.

Here are some examples of where the UK chose not to comply with EU law (and was penalised).

1. European Commission v United Kingdom (C-201/10): The UK was taken to court for failing to comply with EU air quality standards for nitrogen dioxide.
2. The UK was also penalised for waste water treatment failures and landfill site mismanagement, with judgments against it and threats of fines.

I don’t know which examples Brexiteers feel aggrieved by, but I personally wish the UK had taken the tougher approach required by EU law when it came to air and water quality, and protecting our land. I don’t feel in any way attached to a ‘sovereignty’ that gave more authority to privatised water companies than to the government itself.

The queues (if they exist) will affect EU and non EU citizens equally. That’s the point of this agreement, not eliminating queuing for Brits. How will we know the passengers in the photographs are Brits anyway? Will they be required to wave their blue passports at the photographers?

Whatevernext9
I don’t know which examples Brexiteers feel aggrieved by

There's one example in the post you replied to;

In 1988, the Eurosceptic Conservative government introduced the Merchant Shipping Act to negate the impact of the EU’s common fisheries policy. It restricted access to British waters and prevented foreign-owned vessels from re-registering as British ships in order to sell their catches in Europe, but count them against the British fishing quota (a practice known as “quota-hopping”).

However, the European Court of Justice ruled that this legislation broke European law...

Under Brexit the sunset act was withdrawn (which would have revoked all EU laws). As such we have retained over 600 EU laws - presumably because even Brexiteers thought they were worth keeping. Only 450 (out of 3800) EU directives have been revoked. The biggest change has been the loss of free trade and free movement across Europe - resulting in less choice and poorer quality of life for UK citizens - oh but we did get black passports.

OP before getting worked up and making sweeping statements might be a good idea to educate yourself first. Maybe if the UK population had done this in the first place the Brexit vote might have been a little different.

So how do we know the current queues are Brexit related? We are all going on photos in the media and anecdotal evidence.