To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

[Viviennemary]

What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

Oh yes and there's Ireland next door. Enormous market.

I feel it's important to point out to the OP, Ireland is in the EU....

How is this relevant?

Absolutely this.

The Referendum was a shambles.

Remember the Good Friday Agreement when the people of Northern Ireland were all presented with the consequences of a vote either way BEFORE voting?

(actually no you probably don't)

How do you envisage the future, @Viviennemary ? Who do you think we should be trading with and on what terms?

Sorry but if you want to stand at an airport for six hours in October when they bring in the Visa Waiver system and require all Brits to be finger printed on entry then crack on.

Meanwhile the same amongst us, welcome a deal which means we are likely to be exempted from this utter chaos.

We voted Out.
I didn't vote out.

That all brexiteers have. Incoherent, right wing mumblings about 'taking back control'. It has been a shitshow from start to finish. I can only hope this is the start towards rejoining but I wont hold my breath.

Maybe we should offer that as a parallel option, for particularly committed Leavers like OP.

The even more infuriating bit is the fact that if it had been a binding referendum the result would have been declared null and void due to the fact that voters were clearly misled, but because it was only an advisory referendum the Electoral Commission had no power because parliament could have just said "no we're not doing it".

We didn't vote 'out'. We voted 'yes' or 'no'....

Me too, not sure why I've bitten to be honest.

Unfortunately we seem to have got that anyway

I think your worries are a little premature. Trade agreements rarely affect the whole legislative and judicial system of a country. We have agreements with China but we’re still allowed to vote.

Fgs, it’s basically similar to a free trade deal.
Just like India.
No one is asking anyone to be ‘governed by EU laws’

Neither did I.

Yes. The blue passport, finger print slow queue with a grumpy border guard

Or a red passport through the eGate in ten minutes tops option.

Then we can grin and wave from the other side.

And?

Are you saying that soon well become the 51st state of the US?

@Viviennemary You are entitled to your opinion. Just don't come back here when, after voting Reform, you then have to live with the knowledge of being lied to, gaslit and financially shafted.

Reform know whose buttons to press, including yours it seems. Being in the EU wasn't perfect, but - if you have kids or grandkids - then voting leave has thoroughly disadvantaged them in multiple ways.

Most responsible people would want their children to prosper and do better than they ever did in life. Reform are now recruiting the very losers Brexit created, and only a complete fool would trust them.

Like we could just "rejoin" without you or anyone else noticing 🙄

We'd have a referendum wouldn't we? With (hopefully after the last shitshow) the pros and cons of joining laid out before the vote so that you could read and understand them - though with the levels of understanding and critical thinking so often displayed in this country, maybe not. And then you would be free to vote whichever way you chose.

And if you didn't like the results of the vote, well you lost get over it. Etc.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/mar/29/landmarks-in-law-the-90s-fishing-case-that-stoked-uk-euroscepticism

And what about good trade deals and free movement suggests they'll be allowed to do this?

When did this happen while we were in the EU?

What would stop the UN getting involved if they wanted to anyway?

I don't know. We will be required to learn Mandarin at school before we know it thanks to a trade deals with China.

We had a referendum, we left the EU.
We are still not in the EU. Nothing else was promised in that referendum.

I guess if we were to actually rejoin, there might be calls for another referendum.
A lot of leavers were against that at the time though.

So to be clear are you suggesting we should have no trading relationship with the EU at all? Is that what Brexit means to you?