To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

[Viviennemary]

What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

The only vaguely reasonable objection I can see to this deal is with regards to fishing (and all that has happened is the existing deal has been extended).

In terms of the economy, fishing is an extremely trivial industry and I'm glad we didn't continue to fuck over our farmers and wider food industry because some people feel very patriotic about cod.

I also reckon that is Farage or Boris got this exact same deal, the right wing press would be declaring it a fantastic victory.

We were always going to end up doing some sort of deal with the EU and the shrieking over this modest deal is nuts. Sick to death of this Brexit cult.

I'm sure you did a little more than that!

Perhaps "taller poppies" was a poor phrase to use but i still do not want someone born into a reasonably well off family, denied access to schemes like Erasmus for no other reason than they are not poor.

We need greater emphasis on giving children from less well off families the confidence to go for these too, and additional financial help too... this is where the Turing scheme failed... not funded to the same extent.

Bullied us 🤦🏻‍♀️😂 We had the most advantageous deal of everyone previously. We had a seat at the table, no Schengen, no Euro, the best trading partnerships, unlimited travel/ right to Iive anywhere and you idiots focus on the ECHR which made no difference to our Sovereignty- again, because of our advantageous seat at the table. You have stated we were under their laws, we weren’t, they could never overrule British law. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about

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there was literally a referendum in 1975

100%... these people are idiots, thick as xxxx, can never name an EU "law" that personally affected them... just spout bollox, they all live in the past... a combination of Empire, warm beer & Cricket.

We also had a series of General Elections from 1975 and voted in very pro EU Governments, so again, lies that we never had a vote, we voted in John Major who signed the Lisbon Treaty just a year or two later!

Then voted in Blair again even after the large increase in EU migration in the early 2000s.... voted in the pro EU Cameron, snubbed UKIP time and time again...

That's a sweeping generalisation. You cannot say Europe fared much better when you look what happened in Italy. And how did Europe fare better?

Either the EU or USA... gone are the days where the UK can stand alone with a trail of resource rich colonised countries at its fingertips.

Which ‘dumb rules’ OP? The ones that give us employment protection, (which the Johnson government wanted to get rid of)? Or perhaps the food protection laws, or the law which allows free movement of goods between states? I could go on.

I notice Farage is rather quiet; presumably because basically this cuts red tape put in by the Tories, from an economic point of view he’s aware it will make the UK money, and even he isn’t stupid enough to alienate farmers who he’s spend months culitivating by saying they can’t have a SPS deal which will benefit our food exports.

He may moan about dynamic alignment, but this is likely too complex for his core vote so I reckon it’s all about immigration from here on.

So, maybe it’s just branding. If they called it a UK law, would you be happy? Despite the details of the law?! 😉

Alexandra2001
these people are idiots, thick as xxxx
we voted in John Major who signed the Lisbon Treaty

John Major signed the Maastricht Treaty - Gordon Brown signed the Lisbon Treaty.

Why is it brexiters who moan about foreigners have such bad spelling and grammar??

It’ll be immigration 🤦🏻‍♀️

@Viviennemary can you tell me how your life has improved since we left the EU?

Can you tell me how the UK economy has improved since we left the EU?

Can you tell me how immigration has improved since we left the EU?

Please, I’m genuinely curious.

Ah, sorry. Typo that should say didn't fair better

Well something is wrong there because if he is only 19 they had stopped giving out A*s by then…

EDIT ARRRGH quoted the wrong thread! Sorry!!

Rh0dedenr0n
You have stated we were under their laws, we weren’t, they could never overrule British law. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about

Primacy of EU law (precedence, supremacy)
The principle of the primacy (also referred to as 'precedence' or 'supremacy') of European Union (EU) law is based on the idea that where a conflict arises between an aspect of EU law and an aspect of law in an EU Member State (national law), EU law will prevail.
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If this were not the case, Member States could simply allow their national laws to take precedence over primary or secondary EU legislation, and the pursuit of EU policies would become unworkable.
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The principle of the primacy of EU law has developed over time by means of the case law (jurisprudence) of the Court of Justice of the European Union. It is not enshrined in the EU treaties, although there is a letter declaration annexed to the Treaty of Lisbon in regard to it.
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It should be noted that the primacy of EU law only applies where Member States have ceded sovereignty to the EU – in fields such as the single market, environment , transport , etc.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/glossary/primacy-of-eu-law-precedence-supremacy.html

Landmarks in law: the 90s fishing case that stoked UK Euroscepticism.
Before Factortame, some UK politicians hadn’t fully grasped the power of EU law over parliament.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/mar/29/landmarks-in-law-the-90s-fishing-case-that-stoked-uk-euroscepticism

But how do you know that the majority voted on emotion?

Fruit sure, but could remain voters not just as easily pick fruit, or those who would like to rejoin?

Which specific laws though? And which ones have the EU previously overturned?

Just admit you don't like Johnny foreigner and that you think Nigel Farage isn't a lazy twunt who gets rich by stocking up racism and doing very little else

I think it can all just be left with this one comment 👏🏻

How’s your Russian?
It won’t stop trying to get back to the hold it had before not only the Ukraine.
US doesn’t want to help us peasants in Europe, they are only interested in breaking up the NHS, so that they can sell their medical supplies with more profit and their private insurance system, not forgetting their injected meat and over-sprayed veg/fruit.

Both Russia and US wanted Brexit because the EU was a too strong a group working against their profits.

Yes, older people have died but did you know Nigel Farage has well over 1,000000 younger followers on Tiktok and over 233,000 members of Reform and it is rising by almost 1,000 new members everyday? Plus large numbers from many groups Labour have pissed off are now turning to Reform, Farmers, Disabled, OAP's, etc. At the time of the referendum it was stated whatever the outcome there would be no more referendums on the topic for at least 25 years. Remainders are so childish, if they don't win it's let's all vote again until we win. It's pathetic. The truth is conditions have changed to rejoin we'd have to give up the pound and adopt the Euro, we wouldn't get the rebait, we'd be paying them billions of pounds each year again and we'd have to take more refugees.

I don't think Turing has failed;

Organisations including schools, colleges and universities from across the UK received funding from the Turing Scheme to provide opportunities for a projected 40,206 pupils, learners and students to study and work across the globe during the 2023 to 2024 academic year, with 24,185 (60%) of the placements approved for funding for participants from a disadvantaged background.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/turing-scheme-funding-outcomes-2023-to-2024/turing-scheme-funding-outcomes-for-the-2023-to-2024-academic-year--2

Hello all, Irish person wading in here with my two Euro cents.

The EU has benefitted my country enormously, without question - without it we'd be a damp, green nothing burger off your west coast pumping our young jobless people into your country and anywhere else that would have us. However, there's a lot of misunderstanding here about EU law.

We in Ireland are preparing national legislation to enact the EU immigration pact which is a directive from the EU. I have a lot of personal reservations about this pact as I think there are elements of it that are very cruel to asylum seekers (it has a "Rwanda plan" like your last government proposed in it, for example, to reduce the number of asylum seekers).

The point being the EU does impact on national law. EU regulations must be implemented across the board (such as the EU regulation on roaming charges) and directives are the way the EU tells us to achieve a certain goal within our country. It's asylum seekers today but it will be something different next year.

Overall I remain pro EU, but with regards to the above, now that I see something very important being directed to us by the EU, I can actually understand why people would not want this influence on their own national legislation.