To absolutely not want closer ties to Europe

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What is the matter with Stammer toadying up to the EU. We voted Out. Has he forgotten. I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. Here we go again. Shafted and ripped off at every turn and following their dumb rules. It's groundhog day. I'm furious.

How ironic!

Yes they have.

Now, in the 21st century we live in an age where there are a variety of block deals that did not exist previously for all sorts of tech and political reasons.

This cannot be undone, and no one is going to allow the UK to refuse to acknowledge the status of Europe and come away with a good deal. Why on earth would they?

It’s been a while since we heard from the Brexit cultists with their long lists of Brexit benefits.

The lists are no longer 9 years on.

We haven't forgotten it. But we do need to do trade with Europe as a continent and therefore we need to abide by the rules and regs of the trade deals we make with Europe. Which for a large chunk, will be the EU.

Or, we can not import or export from France, Italy, etc, or in fact any other country, because those are also trade deals, and only have food and goods produced in the UK available to us.

If you don't want closer ties with Europe you best make sure you're not eating, using or wearing anything from Europe.

The European Court of Human Rights has nothing to do with the EU - being in it or not being in it.

We still have membership of the Council of Europe.

We still live in Europe.

Is the bendy 'nanas the next bit that troubles you?

We need to recognize the benefits of allying ourselves with the EU. It's ridiculous to say we were shafted and ripped off when we were members; we just didn't acknowledge how much we gained by being a part of it. We were misled by false advertising, biased campaigns and media misinformation. If people had known what they were voting for, Brexit would never have happened.

Take the GDPR for example totally an EU regulation and one which even the US has to follow when dealing with the personal data of an EU resident. Its scope is huge to the point that actually rather than talk about data protection GDPR is used instead

Stop confusing them with verifiable facts

Which EU law do you think we are going to be under? Currently all our food and agriculture keeps to EU rules on safety, health and additives as we sell to them plus we generally want them ourselves. All that’s done is formalise it that we will continue with this-it means that food, animals, plants and shellfish can all be sold to them EU and not held up at borders and go off and cost more for our manufacturers to sell. It’s a good deal. If we didn’t formally agree with their food regulations -which generally we also want-our food producers would lose out. Why would you want that? We can’t sell food to Australia or India in any kind of quantities, they are too far away.

Another reason to vote Reform.

Furious?

Mr Farage, is that you?

😅

Are you confusing the EU with the ECHR which is a different thing?

Hitler started off as an elected populist only. Most folk forget that.

Why so we can’t trade with other countries? To make it harder for people to travel abroad? What other brilliant things are you after?

I thought this bit of a recent Guardian article was interesting.

“It feels like we never left the EU to be honest,” replied Guest, 56, a lifelong native of the Essex constituency who, along with an overwhelming 72% of local voters, voted to leave the EU in 2016. Only three other districts backed Brexit to the same extent.
“I just feel that it was a missed opportunity. Yes, people were sometimes fed bullshit. But they were asked if we wanted to come out and people around here literally voted in their droves for it. We’ve never really seen the investment we were promised.”

Because I read the first bit of what he said, and thought, eh, what, it doesn't feel like we never left to me! I think it feels very obviously different (i.e. the country is poorer, outward migration is falling, roads are full of potholes, local communities don't have access to the various ESIF funds) - but then I realised he meant "it feels like we never left" because he means he thought Brexit would mean the country would have felt richer by now. Aaaaah. Shit. We must need to Brexit even harder to get that 350m a week.

AIBU to absolutely not want ties with anyone who voted Brexit?

If Reform refuse to countenance trade deals with other countries then they're even stupider than I thought.

Good luck with that.

But that would ruin my amusement.

The point is that those championing Brexit said that he was talking rubbish and of course we would still have access to the single market.

I don't think you understand what the deal is, it's nothing to do with rejoining. The Labour manifesto said they would negotiate closer ties with the EU and that is just what they have done. They have a mandate to do it because they won the election and it was s Manifest committment.

We also have a deal with the USA and with India has anyone suggested we are going to be become part of the USA and India?

This is a very necessary trade and defence dealt with our closest neighbours.
And they are looking at a visa programme for young people . The same as we have with Australia I haven't heard anyone complain about that.

All the nonsense that was spouted by the leave campaign almost 10 years ago has made some people lose all sense of perspective when anyone says Europe.

Rubbish. There have been block trade deals (multiple sovereign parties) since the late Bronze Age. They reached global trade in medieval times.

Human society was making trade deals before we even invented coins.

The EU is the geographical neighbour of the UK, it would be economic suicide to not have close trading ties.

Remember Boris talking about the “oven ready” deal which looked remarkably similar to the ones that he and his ERG mates blocked when May was PM?

" I switched the TV off when I heard the word contribution and free movement. "

That's good, that's the best way to learn. Keeps switching it off whenever it says something you don't like and stick to following people on Facebook who say the world is flat, that way you can cast an informed vote all the time and things will carry on getting better!

I think the issue is that the ECHR and post Brexit European Law is not understood in the context of British law.
As I understand it’s only parliament that can overturn a UK Supreme Court’s ruling.
Some European laws were put into uk law in Brexit.
Law is complicated, I certainly don’t have anything beyond an extremely basic ‘understanding’.
It would be nice if posters could get off their high horses and explain the pros or cons to the OP rather than just insult them 🤷‍♀️
Try ‘Trade = Good because you will get cheaper stuff’ rather than ‘You’re a fuckwit’

We do have tariff-free access to the single market for goods - membership of the single market with freedom of movement of people is not the same thing.