Starmer is about to reverse Brexit

[TheQuirkyMaker]

Is is right that an unpopular govt can reverse the democratic wishes of the UK to have nothing to do with Europe?

I didnt realise people like you still existed OP.

Loads of them around, unfortunately.

Where did it say on the ballot paper that leaving meant 'having nothing to do with Europe'?

Exactly. I thought that this was what Brexiteers wanted? Negotiating individual policies and treaties rather than wholesale alignment with the EU. I'm not a fan of Starmer but can't criticise him for this.

I'm just listening to the UK press questions and there is a lot of 'aren't you betraying Brexit' (from everyone, not just GB News) but also a criticism that the deal only recoups a small amount of GDP lost after Brexit. That sums up the issue, doesn't it? Politically not allowed to be seen doing anything that looks like a pathway to rejoining, but also expected to find a way of recreating all the economic benefits of EU membership.

Especially given it looks like from October, we will be able to go through EU electronic gates and not queue again for stamping of passport.

Is this part of the agreement Starmer negotiated? If so, that is a big concession, since I'm sure all other non EU citizens will still have to use the non EU lanes for entry. Can you confirm this? Maybe it's tied up with the EU "ESTA" to be introduced.

Maybe America will have us 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Using e-Gates is part of the deal. I don't know if that means we'll be able to use the EU passport lanes at staffed airports though.

I used to feel some sympathy for those who were lied to by the likes of Farage etc. There was so much - proven - misinformation and manipulation of so many people, and I know many Leave voters do now regret their vote and understand why it has been so disastrous for the country.

But the ones like the OP who still come out with this utter fucking bullshit, almost 10 years later? Nah. Fuck 'em. Ocean-going morons is bang on the money.

Ah, that's what I was thinking. It's one thing to be able to use e-gates, but quite another to be treated differently to other Non EU. But we shall see I suppose!

People think we should only receive and not have to give anything in return.

Here
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/17/uk-on-verge-of-deal-with-eu-to-let-britons-use-european-passport-e-gates

Well, it's a basic principle of how the UK works that "no government can bind its successor", so in theory they can't actually stop this happening.

I imagine that in reality they will set it up so that if a subsequent Government were to walk away it would be basically impossible to trade with/travel in Europe. That would be so unpopular even with brainwashed Reform types - not to mention economically catastrophic - that maybe they might have to actually enter into discussions after all.

I've read some ludicrous things on here but that's top drawer mad.
I wished he could though.
People had no idea what they were voting for and look how it's ended up😫

Where to start unravelling this conspiracy theory. You'll be saying he's one of the lizard people next.

Well, exactly. Making the best of a bad situation is all we can do. It's ridiculous that people want all of the benefits of EU membership without any of the obligations that go alongside that.

I was quite 'meh' about Starmer, but I think he's actually starting to come though now. He is understated and just gets on with it quietly, as best he can. I'm starting to respect him with these common-sense agreements today and let's hope these are the first of many steps in the right direction.

Hope so and I would be interested to see the results of another referendum, not that it has a hope of happening.

Well that's what you get when you allow internal Tory psychodrama to play out on a national and international scale.

As for the fisherfolk, fuck 'em. Wet moany fuckers who let themselves be played like a fiddle and havent shut up about it ever since.🤷‍♀️

How much cash do we have to contribute to access the EU's Defence Fund? That won't be free - I thought we paid around £2 billion a year to access Horizon Europe.

This is the same deal that was negotiated by Boris. It's just been extended

Some polls here - latest one;

6–8 May 2025 BMG Research for The i -

Rejoin 41%
Stay Out 40%
Neither 18%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_re-accession_of_the_United_Kingdom_to_the_European_Union

Absolulely this.

Same as with Trump supporters. Eventually you just realise that some people are just thick as shit and no amount of engagement or education will change that.

Crazy how they are allowed to vote.

Neither??

They left out "both" 😅