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TheQuirkyMaker · 2025-05-19T10:27:20+00:00

Is is right that an unpopular govt can reverse the democratic wishes of the UK to have nothing to do with Europe?

Alexandra2001 · 23/05/2025 06:46

brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 15:42

@Alexandra2001 "All 3 took advantage of EU FOM rules and then did the classic "pull the ladder up i'm alright jack" "

Hmmm - a bit like the deputy PM (AKA the Ginger Whinger) who took advantage of the ability to buy her council flat at a discount and then campaigned against against any more sales.
She promised to review the high discounts introduced by the coalition government in 2012, as well as a review to stop newly-built social homes from being sold off.

mmmmmm is that all you've got? some unrelated Whataboutery? and name calling?

I guess you agree they are hypocrites then, took advantage of all the EEC/EU had to offer, secured their own futures, then did actually stop or make it very difficult for anyone else to do the same....

Thats the problem with Brexitiers, they lack any awareness of their own actions, its all about them, and stuff anyone else.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/05/2025 06:50

TheQuirkyMaker · 22/05/2025 22:23

I didn't bother to vote in the 2016 referendum as I thought it would be inconceivable we would vote to leave what was a very agreeable and profitable collaboration with our own continent.
I was stunned at the result. I spoke to a few others (I was living in a Premier Inn due to a house fire) and some said they had voted Leave but just to give the finger to the govt- they were similarly upset (polls has said we would Remain).
Interestingly, the hotel staff (who relied on Eastern European workers to work as chambermaids etc), thought it was wonderful as they wouldn't have to hear Hungarian voices any more.

Great. Well people like you who couldn't be arsed to vote are the reason we ended up leaving.

BustingBaoBun · 23/05/2025 08:02

Sums it up for me...

SocialEvent · 23/05/2025 08:27

The leaving the EU vote was nearly 10 years ago now and so I think we should repeat it.
Any responsible politician should be calling for this specifically because Brexit has fucked the UK up economically so badly and because the global security landscape has been completely upended by Putin and now Trump. It’s completely foolhardy and unsafe for the UK to stay outside the EU.
People’s lives here have already got poorer and opportunities much more diminished since we left the EU but that could look like a picnic compared to the future.

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TheQuirkyMaker · 23/05/2025 08:27

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/05/2025 06:50

Great. Well people like you who couldn't be arsed to vote are the reason we ended up leaving.

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Haha! It wasn't that I couldn't be arsed, I was just supremely confident we would vote Remain. As was all the press, polls and the Prime Minister. Don't blame us non-voters, blame the Remain campaign.

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HangryLikeTheHulk · 23/05/2025 08:30

brexitbarbie · 22/05/2025 20:07

@MissCharlotteLutterell "On animal welfare - obviously I'm pleased we have a UK Act on this. But if we had remained in the EU we could have continued to push for protection of so many more animals across the whole continent."

So why in the 47 years we were in the EU when we were "pushing" did this not happen? (And still hasn't happened?)

And I'm still waiting for you to tell me what EU laws the UK helped write ?

And as there are 3 bodies that help make laws

the European Parliament, representing EU citizens
the Council of the European Union, representing governments of EU countries
the European Commission, representing the EU’s overall interests

No 3 will always take piority

And any trade deals needed to be approved by other Member States
This means that even after the European Parliament and Council approve a trade agreement, it needs to be ratified by the national parliaments or governments of each EU member state before it can fully take effect. So UK had to dance to the tune of 47 (?) other countries.

Don't forget the Lancashire cotton industry's decline was due to EU tariffs favoring the Italian garment industry. This is just protectionism.

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You seem to frame this as “all the other member states acted as one against the UK” which is a very skewed take.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/05/2025 08:30

TheQuirkyMaker · 23/05/2025 08:27

Haha! It wasn't that I couldn't be arsed, I was just supremely confident we would vote Remain. As was all the press, polls and the Prime Minister. Don't blame us non-voters, blame the Remain campaign.

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This is absolutely idiotic.

You couldn't be arsed because of your supremely misplaced confidence that we would vote remain. So you sat on your arse at home and left the decision up to the people who passionately wanted to leave.

The polls showed that it was going to be a close run thing.

The remain campaign was shit, yes, but if you wanted to remain you should have voted. The non voters would have easily swung it the other way.

So yes, I do and will continue to blame you.

HarrietBond · 23/05/2025 08:30

TheQuirkyMaker · 23/05/2025 08:27

Haha! It wasn't that I couldn't be arsed, I was just supremely confident we would vote Remain. As was all the press, polls and the Prime Minister. Don't blame us non-voters, blame the Remain campaign.

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No, sorry, voting or not voting is on you.

Notonthestairs · 23/05/2025 08:31

Blaming other people for your failure to vote. Hilarious.

SocialEvent · 23/05/2025 08:39

The Remaining campaign was shit and complacent I do agree
It was run by people who thought they were above the mud being slung online by Brexiteers and didn’t get out there to disprove the fountains of bullshit being spread about

Johnson moving over to Brexit side purely to try to stab Cameron in the back to get the PM job for himself, really legitimised the insanity of the Brexiteers at the time.

The more ‘money for the NHS’ lie- for which I wish the Leave Campaign would be held legally culpable, took in a lot of people who didn’t have a strong view either way but saw the NHS struggling under the Tories

And the geography of the Leave vote reflected a class-ridden tale as old as time int he UK. no political party had sufficiently supported the UK outside of London and the South East especially since Thatcher ruined UK industries and after decades still no help to put in place new industries. So whole swathes of the UK were just left to struggle and rot. I don’t blame anyone who voted for a change, any change under those conditions.

Alexandra2001 · 23/05/2025 08:44

TheQuirkyMaker · 23/05/2025 08:27

Haha! It wasn't that I couldn't be arsed, I was just supremely confident we would vote Remain. As was all the press, polls and the Prime Minister. Don't blame us non-voters, blame the Remain campaign.

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The polls leading into the last month or two of the vote, were all well within the margin of error for these sorts of things 1 to 2% +/-.

Remainers not voting made the difference, i'd have thought that was obvious?

Thats not to say the Remain campaign was stella, it wasn't, they failed to get a charismatic figure head who could counter xxxx Farage and Bojo, 2 very charismatic people.

BIossomtoes · 23/05/2025 09:03

TheQuirkyMaker · 23/05/2025 08:27

Haha! It wasn't that I couldn't be arsed, I was just supremely confident we would vote Remain. As was all the press, polls and the Prime Minister. Don't blame us non-voters, blame the Remain campaign.

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No I’m going to blame you. Take responsibility.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 23/05/2025 09:12

TheQuirkyMaker · 23/05/2025 08:27

Haha! It wasn't that I couldn't be arsed, I was just supremely confident we would vote Remain. As was all the press, polls and the Prime Minister. Don't blame us non-voters, blame the Remain campaign.

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Stop saying we

there is no we if it includes you in this scenario

you didn’t vote remain

and yes…you couldn’t be bothered

’i thought we would vote remain so i didn’t vote’ 😒

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TheQuirkyMaker · 23/05/2025 09:13

BIossomtoes · 23/05/2025 09:03

No I’m going to blame you. Take responsibility.

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I'm to blame for the UK leaving the EU? Haha!

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BustingBaoBun · 23/05/2025 09:13

I just cannot imagine not voting in something so so crucial. My DCs were at the polling station before work and were absolutely unbelievably gutted at the result. We did a group whatsapp call, it is seared on my brain. Such disappointment and worry as to how it would affect them going forward.

BIossomtoes · 23/05/2025 09:15

TheQuirkyMaker · 23/05/2025 09:13

I'm to blame for the UK leaving the EU? Haha!

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You did nothing to prevent it, did you?

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 23/05/2025 09:16

TheQuirkyMaker · 23/05/2025 09:13

I'm to blame for the UK leaving the EU? Haha!

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No mate

in order (imo)

Farage
you and anyone else that decided that they couldn’t be arsed to vote
people who voted for brexit
David Cameron
people who ran a lackluster remain campaign

i could move the bottom three around to be fair 🤔

Coolasfeck · 23/05/2025 09:17

TheQuirkyMaker · 23/05/2025 08:27

Haha! It wasn't that I couldn't be arsed, I was just supremely confident we would vote Remain. As was all the press, polls and the Prime Minister. Don't blame us non-voters, blame the Remain campaign.

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No. Take responsibility. I know of others who complain only to find out later they never bothered to vote when the polling stations were open from 7am to 10pm.

I’m expecting people whose loved ones are essentially dead but kept ‘alive’ and attached to machines to gestate babies in the US for the government to prevent an ‘abortion’ to also exclaim they never expected Trump to win so never bothered to vote.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 23/05/2025 09:19

Oooo

where should i put people who voted for brexit but didn’t actually think we would leave…there were a few of these interviewed after the vote

they are third I reckon

DuncinToffee · 23/05/2025 09:26

I would put Cameron above Farage on that list.

BustingBaoBun · 23/05/2025 09:27

My favourite are those who voted for Brexit, but now flatly deny it.

I have a friend in particular who voted out, she now joins in, in all the conversations about what a shitshow Brexit is, nodding along in agreement. I early on challenged her and said "but you told me you had voted Leave, we had at least three conversations about it!"
She says "no, I didn't vote Leave". Hahahahaha, yes you did!

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 23/05/2025 09:29

DuncinToffee · 23/05/2025 09:26

I would put Cameron above Farage on that list.

Very fair point….the referendum should have been advisory at that point imo (like all the other referendums) it wasn’t legally binding

it would have given them a chance to work out how we would leave and have a vote on that…or negotiate with the EU based on the passion for leaving

or maybe they would have come to their fucking senses

cantkeepawayforever · 23/05/2025 09:30

Those who voted Leave as ‘a harmless protest vote because they weren’t that happy with the Government’ were always amongst my favourites.

Alexandra2001 · 23/05/2025 09:30

Cameron is responsible for Brexit... he called the referendum, with no min % margin, such as you have in any sports club, to change its rules.

He is a weak odious excuse for a man.

Farage Bojo et al all played their part too but ultimately Cameron handed them the gun.

SinnerBoy · 23/05/2025 09:31

TheQuirkyMaker · Today 09:13

I'm to blame for the UK leaving the EU? Haha!

Well yes, you and others like you, who were keen to stay in, but didn't bother to use your voice bear some responsibility for it.