Starmer is about to reverse Brexit

[TheQuirkyMaker]

Is is right that an unpopular govt can reverse the democratic wishes of the UK to have nothing to do with Europe?

I personally know a few. They just wanted to give the middle finger to the govt. They were shocked by the outcome. Mind you, it was close, wasn't it?

My grandfather used to say ‘If you don’t vote, you are not allowed to complain about the result’. I think that’s fair.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

And then he ran away

And plenty of brexiteers who wanted to leave the EU because of 'unelected, unaccountable elites". now sit as unelected members of the HoL

If people like you had bothered to vote we wouldn't have left. So yes.

Just going back... we joined the EEC in 1973 from a parliamentary decision, then there was a bit of a hoo haaa as to whether we should stay in. So it was put to the people.

I'm old, I voted to stay in, in 1975 and I have just looked. 67% of the votes across all nations were to stay in, 33% not. I can remember voting and being so pleased with the result. Even back then.

It's so important to vote in a referendum as every vote counts. I know others who didn't vote because they couldn't be arsed! Shame.

At least be gracious and own your mistake

in the last few weeks the polls were often very close it was not so clear cut as initially predicted

anyone who has an interest in politics and doesn’t just listen/discuss politics with those they agree with was well aware that Leave campaign had won over many voters and people were not being quiet about it either

And of course David Cameron appeared confident he knew especially once Boris Johnson headed leave what a massive stupid gamble he has started he was hardly going to say sorry guys I shouldn’t have called the Referendum

he placed the blame on voters

Considering how shit the Cameron government was I imagine this group who ‘just wanted to stick two fingers up at the government’ because Cameron was out as a Remainer, to be a very large group. But unfortunately that’s not how voting actually works and they really really fucked up there.

TBF in the UK we are not used to having referenda (?) referendums and so didn’t have the safeguards that regular referendums countries have. No minium turnout, no benchmark % for a clear result, no clear legal mandate to act on the outcome

The whole shitty mess of Brexit is based on Tory party infighting for internal power some of it going back to Bullingdon club days and then a load of other already very rich people hopping on the bandwagon hoping to make a quick million or five out of other people’s political naivety and desperation for something to change economically.

I genuinely can’t imagine how Cameron and Johnson and Gove and Osborne and Rees Mogg and all those other self serving grubbers sleep at night having done this to the UK

Mind you, it was close, wasn't it

don’t take the piss mate 😀

it would not have been close if voters who voted leave as a protest had voted remain

and it wouldn’t have been close if voters who couldn’t be arsed to vote remain, cos they thought other people would vote remain….

HAD ACTUALLY VOTED REMAIN

No minium turnout, no benchmark % for a clear result, no clear legal mandate to act on the outcome

yes it was ridiculous….but Cameron et al should have done due diligence and put these things in place, it really shouldn’t matter that we aren’t used to them

By not voting you pretty much forfeit, at worst, your right to an opinion on the outcome or, at best, the expectation that your opinion on the outcome will hold any merit whatsoever.

I have read previously that some people think abstention is in itself a political statement. These people are wrong.
If you disagree with the vote at hand, which is absolutely your right, then going to the booth and spoiling your ballot paper is a valid political statement; abstaining is not.

"I genuinely can’t imagine how Cameron and Johnson and Gove and Osborne and Rees Mogg and all those other self serving grubbers sleep at night having done this to the UK"

You are assuming a level of self-awareness that simply doesn't exist.

It's one of the reasons that, with seemingly increasing frequency in our modern world, you sometimes have to accept that the 'other side' simply cannot be reasoned with as they lack the fundamental tools that allow most of us to take the position we do.

I genuinely can’t imagine how Cameron and Johnson and Gove and Osborne and Rees Mogg and all those other self serving grubbers sleep at night having done this to the UK

They have no worries, doing very well for themselves

Good.

Reverse Brexit asap.

Crap decision; massive disaster.

TBF to Osbourne over this (not anything else!) he told Cameron NOT to have a referendum... was ignored.

I think the person who started this thread, is actually a Leave supporter.

If voting in a referendum is supremely important we could have another one. Nothing to stop us, we live in a democracy not a dictatorship. We could call it "advisory" like the last one.

What would be the point in having a referendum on something which is no longer within our control?

We have left. We can't get back in. We certainly can't get back in on the special terms we had before, and we most likely can't get back in at all, since any one of 27 other countries could veto our re-accession, and in four of those countries it would have to be put to a referendum, meaning that individual voters in those countries have more say in whether we rejoin than we do. It doesn't even matter whether Emmanuel Macron says yes if voters in la France profonde say, "fuck off".

This is why it was in fact supremely important for voters like you to get off your arses and vote. Because it's too late now.

That is very negative. The UK is still an important European country, and I think the biggest military power. We would not have to accept the euro either, several members have retained their own currency.
We would be accepted back- the biggest problem would be getting a consensus to do so. So we would need a binding, not an advisory, referendum this time.

Private Eye is a good start

But if you can't find unbiased ones, read the biased ones with the understanding that they are biased

Well you and everyone who wanted to remain but didn't feel the UK's future was important enough to change whatever plans you happened to have on that day.

In your dreams. @MissScarletInTheBallroom is absolutely right.