Starmer is about to reverse Brexit

[TheQuirkyMaker]

Is is right that an unpopular govt can reverse the democratic wishes of the UK to have nothing to do with Europe?

So it wasn’t a success.
No sunlit uplands.
Glad we’ve got that sorted.

Well, then you must surely be delighted with the deal with the EU, since its economic benefits to the UK are projected to be an order of magnitude greater than the previous government's trade deals? I mean, Brexit was about being able to make trade deals, right?

I'm not mistaken. The European Parliament has input into EU laws by way of the democratically elected MEPs.

You seem to have misinterpreted what you have just googled about the European Parliament and Commission (understandable, perhaps, if you have never heard of them before). Yes, the Commission proposes the laws but this doesn't mean they just happen in a vacuum away from the key institution of the European Parliament.

https://european-union.europa.eu/institutions-law-budget/institutions-and-bodies/search-all-eu-institutions-and-bodies/european-parliament_en explains how MEPs sit on committees which debate, amend and consider the best way to create and implement EU laws.

The point remains that thanks to Brexit the UK now has no influence whatsoever over EU laws, when it used to have influence both in the proposing (via the Commission - commissioners being sent by the UK's democrativally-elected Government) and considering the detail (via the directly elected European Parliament). So a rule taker not a rule maker: the precise opposite of the lies you fell for and still appear to believe.

Other people have dealt with the pathetic size of the trade deals as compared with what we gave up in leaving the EU.

On animal welfare - obviously I'm pleased we have a UK Act on this. But if we had remained in the EU we could have continued to push for protection of so many more animals across the whole continent. Now we have no opportunity to move forward on this more widely. A tragedy for wider animal welfare, stemming directly from Brexit.

It's sunny where I am.

Maybe you're looking the wrong way?

Clue - the sun rises in the East.

Putin is smiling

Sure is. It’s unreal that some people are still defending this act of economic and political self harm.

@MissCharlotteLutterell "But if we had remained in the EU we could have continued to push for protection of so many more animals across the whole continent."

Really?

It was some EU Members that wanted to continue this cruel practice,

Some argued that a ban would disrupt existing trade agreements and potentially damage the economies.

Those countries in the EU that used horsemeat were vociferous in objecting to a ban on this trade

https://www.brusselstimes.com/356621/some-eu-member-states-oppose-a-ban-on-live-animal-export

Brexit - Vote to Make Your Country Poorer.

@MissCharlotteLutterell "Yes, the Commission proposes the laws but this doesn't mean they just happen in a vacuum away from the key institution of the European Parliament."

So which EU Laws did the UK have a major part in shaping?

Explain how Brexit was in any way, shape, or form a win for the British fishing industry...

Nowadays, the EU approves on average 80 directives, 1200 regulations and 700 decisions per year.

So how many were applied to UK during our membership, I wonder?

God, I hope he does. Worst thing for the UK since Suez.

Are you that old ??

We have these things called 'historians'.

I wish!

😆

You realise you're just describing the functioning of a parliamentary democracy? The executive proposes policy and the legislative passes it. Just like in the UK. There's nothing unusual or secretive about the way it operates. The only way a member of the European Parliament has no say is if they just don't turn up to take part in its proceedings. That's a democratic failure obviously.

And also not sure what point you're making about Eurosceptic Labour MPs? There were eurosceptics across the political spectrum. I think everyone knows that. Just as there were enthusiastic europhiles.

The UK has had to make bilateral trade deals with a variety of nations in lieu of the ones it had as part of the EU, but with significantly less economic heft than it had as part of such a large trading bloc.

@MissCharlotteLutterell "On animal welfare - obviously I'm pleased we have a UK Act on this. But if we had remained in the EU we could have continued to push for protection of so many more animals across the whole continent."

So why in the 47 years we were in the EU when we were "pushing" did this not happen? (And still hasn't happened?)

And I'm still waiting for you to tell me what EU laws the UK helped write ?

And as there are 3 bodies that help make laws

1. the European Parliament, representing EU citizens
2. the Council of the European Union, representing governments of EU countries
3. the European Commission, representing the EU’s overall interests

No 3 will always take piority

And any trade deals needed to be approved by other Member States
This means that even after the European Parliament and Council approve a trade agreement, it needs to be ratified by the national parliaments or governments of each EU member state before it can fully take effect. So UK had to dance to the tune of 47 (?) other countries.

Don't forget the Lancashire cotton industry's decline was due to EU tariffs favoring the Italian garment industry. This is just protectionism.

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I’m still waiting for the independent economic forecasting to support your statement that ‘getting involved with the EU’ will cost us money.

The three bodies, again, are just those of a parliamentary democracy. The Council is the Ministers (our cabinet), the Commission is the government, and then we have the legislative house, the parliament. The UK had commissioners, officers, and committee members (those that turned up of course) so had input into the creation of policy throughout our membership.

It’s not being reversed.
Blatantly lying to the public is not democracy.
HTH.

Here's a fun fact - prior to Brexit the UK was the fifth largest economy.

I didn't bother to vote in the 2016 referendum as I thought it would be inconceivable we would vote to leave what was a very agreeable and profitable collaboration with our own continent.
I was stunned at the result. I spoke to a few others (I was living in a Premier Inn due to a house fire) and some said they had voted Leave but just to give the finger to the govt- they were similarly upset (polls has said we would Remain).
Interestingly, the hotel staff (who relied on Eastern European workers to work as chambermaids etc), thought it was wonderful as they wouldn't have to hear Hungarian voices any more.

brexitbarbie · Yesterday 15:14

You are mistaken. The UK could only approve or veto new proposals. That is not democracy.

What an ignorant load of pish.

As if Britan had no members, or influence on the European Commission. As if a veto isn't a no. Jeez, Britain had more concessions than the rest of the EU together and voted for more than 2,000 out of 2,200 proposals, with most of the losses having little, or no effect upon us.

Energy efficient light bulbs imposed by the EU.

You know who proposed that, right? Why yes! It was Britain.

I didn't bother to vote in the 2016 referendum as I thought it would be inconceivable we would vote to leave what was a very agreeable and profitable collaboration with our own continent

you didn’t vote…there is no we