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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:30

moose62 · 19/05/2025 06:27

I get why you are upset and don't really understand why people are blaming you for emigrating. My son lives in Australia and I have just been to visit him. The jet lag was awful following 30 hours of travelling and took me 2 days to feel normal again. With two children I understand why you want to stay put when you get here.
There is obviously something else going on. I wouldn't try and find out what, just make plans to meet at Heathrow and that gives him time to think about whether he wants to change his mind.

Thank you!! My mum had really bad jet lag when she came back from visiting us and so she was the one who suggested we try and stay in one place and be realistic about how much travel we do with young children. I don’t understand why I’m being blamed for emigrating either.

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Twilightstarbright · 19/05/2025 06:30

@JIMER202 there is a place called Hobbledown Heath a stones throw from Heathrow. Go there earlier in the day, and your partner can take your kids around it which you and your brother have a catch up in the cafe or in the cafe of the golf place next door. HH is the perfect place for kids the same age as yours.

Similar but not identical- we used to live abroad and so did DH’s sister. Lots of being told we should fly to them, fly on dates that suited them etc but it wasn’t always as simple as that. It’s the reality of moving abroad.

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:30

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:27

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

Not what the OP indicated to me, but it has it fairness changed over the course of the thread. It’s seems here it was a no from the start. 🤷‍♀️

Nothing has changed, you are just refusing to read what was written.

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:31

Twilightstarbright · 19/05/2025 06:30

@JIMER202 there is a place called Hobbledown Heath a stones throw from Heathrow. Go there earlier in the day, and your partner can take your kids around it which you and your brother have a catch up in the cafe or in the cafe of the golf place next door. HH is the perfect place for kids the same age as yours.

Similar but not identical- we used to live abroad and so did DH’s sister. Lots of being told we should fly to them, fly on dates that suited them etc but it wasn’t always as simple as that. It’s the reality of moving abroad.

What do they do with all their luggage?

HoppingPavlova · 19/05/2025 06:33

This may be what we have to do. I think I’m going to have to voice that I don’t understand why they can come back to the UK and travel to see family but can’t this one time we will be there? It is hurtful

Why are you trying to create drama where there is one. You have to go to Heathrow to get your plane. He is offering to meet there as it won’t put you out AT ALL, and you want to create a fuss about it! Why not just have a catch up with your brother in a place you HAVE to be anyway. It’s not odd, it’s actually a very sensible suggestion on his part.

Also, maybe he and his wife doesn’t want to be trapped in a house with young kids? I wouldn’t. I’ve had my kids, they have grown, no way I would agree to staying in a house with young children at this point. If need be, I’d hire a different house and just come over for an hour or so to visit then leave, or come after they are in bed, which honestly wouldn’t be that different to catching up at Heathrow! It’s one of those cases where we all love our own kids, but young kids are generally really annoying to others if they are not theirs😊.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:33

PotolKimchi · 19/05/2025 06:26

He’s allowed to say he doesn’t want to spend ten days in a cottage. You are allowed to say look X works for us, Y doesn’t. There is no big drama here.

I think this trip is huge for you. You have had a life changing illness, a sick child, this trip is costing a lot of money, there is a sick relative involved, you don’t know when you will come again. The stakes are high for you but they are not for him. It doesn’t make him a bad brother or a horrible person.

I agree with this! This is a really huge deal for us. And lots of life changes have happened, it’s going to be a really emotional trip. So hopefully we can work out how to see him.

Someone asked does his wife do the organizing and driving usually and she does! He’s quite an anxious driver and I did suspect this may be it and will ask him. Initially we thought my SIL would be coming but as someone else said maybe she isn’t too bothered. I’m close with my brother but not my SIL and not for any bad reason, we just haven’t seen each other in years and they are older so we were never close but are friendly when we see each other.

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askmenow · 19/05/2025 06:33

Oh do give over !
Bro and the missus travelling on this one special occasion to see his sis and the little ones is different to dragging two tired little kids on a train to London to visit two adults.

Your bro is an arse! Has he always been an arse or only since he married?

His wife doesn’t care.

There’s more to the script here…ie they won’t be the centre of family attention on this visit. The focus will be on you.

Are they child free deliberately or have they struggled to conceive?

Theres something underlying his reasoning because clearly he doesn’t care enough to put himself out for two little children.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:35

askmenow · 19/05/2025 06:33

Oh do give over !
Bro and the missus travelling on this one special occasion to see his sis and the little ones is different to dragging two tired little kids on a train to London to visit two adults.

Your bro is an arse! Has he always been an arse or only since he married?

His wife doesn’t care.

There’s more to the script here…ie they won’t be the centre of family attention on this visit. The focus will be on you.

Are they child free deliberately or have they struggled to conceive?

Theres something underlying his reasoning because clearly he doesn’t care enough to put himself out for two little children.

Child free by choice. And I do think she probably isn’t bothered 😆 hadn’t really occurred to me before!

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MadinMarch · 19/05/2025 06:35

CleanShirt · 19/05/2025 05:31

Why do you keep repeating that he doesn't have children?

Because travelling long distances with children can be a logistical nightmare and so much more difficult and unpredictable than travelling with no children! Particularly after long flights from Australia and jet lag etc.
It's really not rocket science!
Op- I took my daughter then aged 6 to Australia from the UK and I know it's difficult and takes time to recover from the flights. I don't think most people on here can appreciate how much. In your shoes, I'd stick to your guns and persuade your brother to come to you at the holiday let. You're not being unreasonable and it's by far the most sensible and the most potentially relaxing way with children the ages of yours.
It's odd that your brother is being so difficult about the plans having not seen you for so long! I'd be upset about this.
I wonder though if they are struggling to conceive and being around children for an extended time could be difficult?

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:36

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:30

Nothing has changed, you are just refusing to read what was written.

Edited

Nothing has changed, you’re right. From the start he said can we meet in London.

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:36

HoppingPavlova · 19/05/2025 06:33

This may be what we have to do. I think I’m going to have to voice that I don’t understand why they can come back to the UK and travel to see family but can’t this one time we will be there? It is hurtful

Why are you trying to create drama where there is one. You have to go to Heathrow to get your plane. He is offering to meet there as it won’t put you out AT ALL, and you want to create a fuss about it! Why not just have a catch up with your brother in a place you HAVE to be anyway. It’s not odd, it’s actually a very sensible suggestion on his part.

Also, maybe he and his wife doesn’t want to be trapped in a house with young kids? I wouldn’t. I’ve had my kids, they have grown, no way I would agree to staying in a house with young children at this point. If need be, I’d hire a different house and just come over for an hour or so to visit then leave, or come after they are in bed, which honestly wouldn’t be that different to catching up at Heathrow! It’s one of those cases where we all love our own kids, but young kids are generally really annoying to others if they are not theirs😊.

OP has said she would need to arrive at Heathrow the night before if she were to meet him.

Unless I suppose if she meets him for 30 minutes.

Hazlenuts2016 · 19/05/2025 06:36

Seems unreasonable of him. Only thing I could think was could he and his wife be v unsuccessfully ttc and she doesn't want to spend a long time around children because she is feeling v sensitive? I don't know how old she is, but wondered.

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:37

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:33

I agree with this! This is a really huge deal for us. And lots of life changes have happened, it’s going to be a really emotional trip. So hopefully we can work out how to see him.

Someone asked does his wife do the organizing and driving usually and she does! He’s quite an anxious driver and I did suspect this may be it and will ask him. Initially we thought my SIL would be coming but as someone else said maybe she isn’t too bothered. I’m close with my brother but not my SIL and not for any bad reason, we just haven’t seen each other in years and they are older so we were never close but are friendly when we see each other.

Now you're saying he's an anxious driver 🙄 Well this is probably the issue! Ffs 🤦🏼‍♀️

Doggymummar · 19/05/2025 06:38

UK isnt that big, isn't there an airport nearer to your family you could fly to that cuts down travel time? A four hour drive after that flight will not be particularly safe. You could also fly via you brothers country. Stop with him for a few days to break the journey and arrive in the UK more refreshed. I think it's a really big ask having everyone take ten days off work to see you. Particularly cooped up in a place that's not their own. I wouldn't like it, and I wouldn't do it.

Twilightstarbright · 19/05/2025 06:39

@nomas leave it in the hire car they have. The venue might be willing to store it too, the people working there are lovely. I have no skin in the game but have done a similar Heathrow meeting when DS was 5. I’m just trying to help.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:39

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:37

Now you're saying he's an anxious driver 🙄 Well this is probably the issue! Ffs 🤦🏼‍♀️

We are also anxious about driving in the Uk …having not driven there in several years and being in a hire car. He does drive abroad where they live and in the UK when they come back but he will defer to his wife a LOT for anything

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Emanresuunknown · 19/05/2025 06:40

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:13

I did wonder this but he’s got 2 upcoming trips planned! I’m starting to wonder if it’s because he doesn’t want to travel to see us alone as when we spoke it didn’t seem like his wife is bothered about seeing us which is also confusing as we have always all got on well. There’s genuinely no drama there, no fall outs. I do think they are probably getting fed up of each time they fly back to the UK they have to travel to see everyone and hire a car etc, but they are doing it for upcoming trips. We won’t be back again for another several years as it costs so much and is a big journey. I’m hoping he may tell me what the real hang up on traveling to see us is.

Have you ever visited him in his (now) home country? Or do you just always come to the UK and base yourself around parents?

Maybe he feels nobody makes an effort to visit him.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:40

Doggymummar · 19/05/2025 06:38

UK isnt that big, isn't there an airport nearer to your family you could fly to that cuts down travel time? A four hour drive after that flight will not be particularly safe. You could also fly via you brothers country. Stop with him for a few days to break the journey and arrive in the UK more refreshed. I think it's a really big ask having everyone take ten days off work to see you. Particularly cooped up in a place that's not their own. I wouldn't like it, and I wouldn't do it.

Not from where we are coming from in Australia unfortunately.

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Nesbi · 19/05/2025 06:40

I don’t quite understand how agreeing to travel to an airport, fly 2 hours to another country to see someone, then do the whole thing in reverse at his cost is “making no effort”!

That all sits very much at the “making loads of effort” end of the spectrum from my point of view! It’s not like he is refusing to pop out to his local for a quick pint!

Pickled21 · 19/05/2025 06:41

You are getting a mumsnet pile on and I can't see that it is justified. You emigrated, that isn't a sin! Your brother did too and he does this particular journey several times a year. Considering you checked the dates beforehand I don't understand why he's sticking to such a strict timeline of trying to fly in and out on the same day. He's changed the goalposts here, not you or at the very least not communicated his intentions well.I'd ask him this.

If your kids are anything like mine were at that age it takes time for them to warm to people and they wouldn't just go to their uncle for cuddles straight off the bat. This means whilst you might see him at the airport it will literally be a meal and then him dashing off so no quality time spent.

You sound understandably hurt that he can't or won't spend time with you in the way he does his wife's family or your own parents. I'd be hurt too. There does sound like there is something going on and I'd be upfront and honest and ask why he can't spare you more than a few hours? I'd also be inclined to say that if it doesn't really work for either of you so you can just wait and do a meet another time instead do regular watsapp video calls (if you don't already). I think there is something going on. I dont know what the dynamic between you two is like though. I'm the eldest sibling and have quite an open relationship with my siblings so I'd be direct and ask. Not sure if you'd find that as easy?

Doggymummar · 19/05/2025 06:42

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:40

Not from where we are coming from in Australia unfortunately.

That's nonsense. I don't think you are trying very hard to accommodate him. You can get to Australia from anywhere in Europe. Speak to a travel agent, tickets can have multiple stopovers in multiple countries

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:42

Why don’t you take a day out of your holiday, meet him in london alone and talk to him? If you think that it’s more than he is being lazy?

Plum02 · 19/05/2025 06:43

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:13

Some posters are saying it’s my fault for emigrating. I had to for my partners work. Again we checked dates with everyone and they got agreed upon, as did the holiday let plan, and this is our first visit home so we aren’t expecting anyone to put things on hold, just to hopefully get to see them. When we have visitors we book leave off work to see them. There’s some vitriol on here about people that emigrate and I don’t really understand it honestly. Because I moved I should have to travel to see everyone when we come back? Unless you’ve lived away from family it’s hard to explain. When we have visitors we take time to spend with them.

I’m sure if you went and visited your DB he’d also take time off work to spend with you. But you’re not making the effort to visit anyone, you’re going to your hometown and expecting everyone else to make the effort to visit you…

And I have lived abroad in two different countries - odd assumption that because people disagree with you they must never have lived away from family.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:43

Also my brothers country is not on the route so a stopover there isn’t an option. I did first of all check that option.

They are childfree by choice and both in their late 40s and not ttc. They took measures to not have children, again without getting too much into their personal business. They both like children and travel back to see other nieces/ nephews a lot. My brother takes a big interest in my children too so I don’t think there’s an issue there (hopefully) just that he wants to do the flight in and out as it’s easier and his wife has probably said she cba to come! Which is not something I really thought of as we tend to do things as family unit, but I know not all couples are the same. He makes a ton of effort with his in laws.

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Koalafan · 19/05/2025 06:44

Don't take this the wrong way OP, but if they genuinely are 'happily childfree' then maybe he/they don't want to be cooped up in a holiday cottage with children, even a if he is related to them. Alternatively, they are desperately TTC (but keeping it quiet) and it would be too painful?