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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

OP posts:
JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:15

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:11

OK, that's weird then. So something has happened or maybe he's realised it's not fair for him to make all the effort? Or maybe there's something more major going on for him. I don't think he's doing this to purposely be an asshole, so just approach it from not assuming that

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I’d understand the effort part more if he didn’t go to our hometown during the year and agree the dates already? He said it wasn’t a date issue too. I don’t think he’s being unkind just not thinking. But I wanted to see if maybe I was being unreasonable? Heathrow may end up just being what we have to do, but I will feel weird knowing he goes back constantly to see his in laws and the rest of our family. I don’t get it.

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PotolKimchi · 19/05/2025 06:15

its not vitriol. I say this as an immigrant who has lived on 4 continents. If you move, life carries on without you. You can give a year’s notice and I can say sure I will roughly keep that time free but life happens in a year. Plans. Events. Commitments.
And your brother is not that fussed about seeing extended family on this trip. He just wants to see you. So he’s fitting in that as best as he can.

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:15

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:13

Some posters are saying it’s my fault for emigrating. I had to for my partners work. Again we checked dates with everyone and they got agreed upon, as did the holiday let plan, and this is our first visit home so we aren’t expecting anyone to put things on hold, just to hopefully get to see them. When we have visitors we book leave off work to see them. There’s some vitriol on here about people that emigrate and I don’t really understand it honestly. Because I moved I should have to travel to see everyone when we come back? Unless you’ve lived away from family it’s hard to explain. When we have visitors we take time to spend with them.

No you don’t have to travel to see everyone! That’s your choice.

spoonbillstretford · 19/05/2025 06:17

It sounds like a ton of hassle with small kids and eats into your plans too much, just because DB can't be arsed. I wouldn't bother.

PotolKimchi · 19/05/2025 06:17

Also. Maybe his wife organises the catch ups with the in laws. But while you are friendly with the wife maybe seeing you is not a priority for her. And they see family because it’s an ongoing active relationship. They are never going to have that with your kids. So he’s coming to see you.

Lifeisinteresting · 19/05/2025 06:17

@JIMER202 i lived away for 6 years and regardless of how much you plan/give notice it's unreasonable to expect people to fall into line with that. What your brother does when visiting the rest of the time is inconsequential. I'd stop wasting emotion and energy and it and deal with it next year. If he's only in Europe plans don't need the locked until a few weeks out if that.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:18

WonderingWanda · 19/05/2025 06:04

Has it occurred to you that they might have something going on you aren't aware of? Maybe fertility issues? You don't mention his age but keep going on about how he doesn't have children. Maybe his wife is struggling with this and doesn't want to stay in the holiday let. Maybe one of them feels uncomfortable staying in the same accommodation as your family, you say they visit but do they stay over normally or just pass through? Or maybe he feels hurt you moved to the others idea of the world, rarely come back and now can't even be bothered to make the effort to go and meet him in London.....again you've mentioned his lack of kids so why would he understand the difficulties of travel with small kids. You are so busy feeling hurt and wanting him to fit to your plans you don't seem willing to consider what might be going on for them. For what it's worth I think two jet lagged kids couped up in a holiday cottage with grandparents would love a train trip and a visit to London at the end of their holiday. My kids coped way better with jet lag than me.

This is a really unkind post. They are happily child free. I had to move for my husbands job. Moving overseas doesn’t mean you don’t care about your family. You must have missed the part where I said I had a life changing injury and needed ICU care and major surgery and rehab and then had a very premature baby. My family thankfully understand why I couldnt travel back. It also costs a significant amount of money.

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nomas · 19/05/2025 06:18

Plum02 · 19/05/2025 06:10

I agree with this. You have to accept that people’s lives continue whether you’re there or not. You made a choice to move to the other side of the world and to therefore not be part of their daily lives. You can’t demand people drop everything and travel to see you when and where it suits you. You need to agree a mutually convenient plan if you want to meet up with DB or anyone else.

I also have a family member who lives in Australia and expects everyone to put their lives on hold to fit around her whenever she comes home.

FFS RTFT. He agreed to the date that was suggested for a visit a year in advance! No one forced him to agree. He could coincide it one of his regular visits to his parents.

He is now acting like a knob for his own reasons. Likely main character syndrome.

Pembrokecrier · 19/05/2025 06:18

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:55

Midway would be Oxford which I had also suggested as an option, but he is trying to fly in and then fly back out! If he will meet us midway in Oxford then stay a night wherever he wants and then fly back we would definitely be willing to do that travelling. I will broach that point again.

Heathrow to Oxford is an easy enough transfer. If he is not willing to do this, then he is the one being unreasonable.

Maybe he is making a point but either way I wouldn’t travel to Heathrow to meet him and your flight time means you have to get the kids up early anyway so you would need to meet at around 7.30 for an hour.

Thats miserable and I’d just say to him ‘look it’s clearly not a great time for you to take time off, to save you the expense and hassle of just coming to an airport, let’s try and do something next time, maybe we will visit you or you come and visit us. you are always welcome welcome , I love and miss you’

I think that’s all you can do.

Pembrokecrier · 19/05/2025 06:19

Also stop pushing for him to stay a night. Why not meet him at say 12 and let him fly out after lunch somewhere?

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:22

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:15

I’d understand the effort part more if he didn’t go to our hometown during the year and agree the dates already? He said it wasn’t a date issue too. I don’t think he’s being unkind just not thinking. But I wanted to see if maybe I was being unreasonable? Heathrow may end up just being what we have to do, but I will feel weird knowing he goes back constantly to see his in laws and the rest of our family. I don’t get it.

I don't get why you don't get that just because he travels there on other occasions this time it doesn't work for him. I honestly don't understand why this is so confusing for you. If it helps I have a similar situation all the time with my family, albeit a smaller distance where they travel to the city we are in and expect me to meet them at my parents (so they don't need to travel more) which is out of my way. Because I go there fairly regularly, usually one or twice a fortnight, they don't understand that sometimes it doesn't suit me. I usually feel guilty and do it it anyway, but as I get older it's starting to piss me off. Maybe he's the same. Or maybe it's not. Best not to make assumptions, but that if he doesn't want to male the extra trip then just accept that. Out of curiosity, how many hours will he have to travel to meet you in London and what's the approximate cost?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:22

PotolKimchi · 19/05/2025 06:12

Drive down earlier to the hotel which you were staying at anyway. Check in earlier, ask your brother to come to the hotel. If your kids are tired, your partner stays with them in the room and you have a nice adult catch up with your brother. Or the kids come down, say a quick hello and go back to bed and you have a nice catch up.

It is very nice of him to fly in just to see you.

This may be it! If he will hop in a taxi this may be the plan that makes the most sense of he wants to fly in and back out again! Thank you! Now we have to hope he can find flights that line up 😆 We can be somewhat flexible with what time we leave to get to Heathrow but the earliest we can check in to our room is 4pm so hopefully he can find a late flight back out again

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:24

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:22

I don't get why you don't get that just because he travels there on other occasions this time it doesn't work for him. I honestly don't understand why this is so confusing for you. If it helps I have a similar situation all the time with my family, albeit a smaller distance where they travel to the city we are in and expect me to meet them at my parents (so they don't need to travel more) which is out of my way. Because I go there fairly regularly, usually one or twice a fortnight, they don't understand that sometimes it doesn't suit me. I usually feel guilty and do it it anyway, but as I get older it's starting to piss me off. Maybe he's the same. Or maybe it's not. Best not to make assumptions, but that if he doesn't want to male the extra trip then just accept that. Out of curiosity, how many hours will he have to travel to meet you in London and what's the approximate cost?

Why is it confusing for you to understand he agreed upon the holiday let and the dates and has now said actually can he just fly in and out again to meet us? No other explanation offered. Just that he ‘doesn’t want to.’

If your family had checked the dates and times worked and you agreed then you would be less pissed off surely?

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Mumdiva99 · 19/05/2025 06:24

Leave it for now. It's a year away. If he's only a 2 hour flight maybe he doesn't have to plan it now. Maybe next time he is back your parents can raise it - will ypu ve here when x and family come from Oz? See what he says to them.
I think it's a partner issue.....or....does she do all the driving when they are over usually? Would it be hard for him without her?
Is she limited in her annual leave and wants to use it to see family?
Don't change any of your plans. Just see how this plays out.

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:24

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:09

Absolutely!

Of course she doesn’t! But she’s making it sound like she has to!

He agreed to these dates a year in advance of OP’s visit. He could coincide it with one of his regular visits to his parents. He clearly just doesn’t want to. He should have said from the start that he couldn’t make, instead of acting like this after plans have been made and OP likely booked accommodation big enough because he said he was coming.

dottiedodah · 19/05/2025 06:25

I can't see any problem with meeting at Heathrow TBH. Lots of restaurants. It's OK to take kids to London too,but I understand if you Don't want to.

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:26

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:22

I don't get why you don't get that just because he travels there on other occasions this time it doesn't work for him. I honestly don't understand why this is so confusing for you. If it helps I have a similar situation all the time with my family, albeit a smaller distance where they travel to the city we are in and expect me to meet them at my parents (so they don't need to travel more) which is out of my way. Because I go there fairly regularly, usually one or twice a fortnight, they don't understand that sometimes it doesn't suit me. I usually feel guilty and do it it anyway, but as I get older it's starting to piss me off. Maybe he's the same. Or maybe it's not. Best not to make assumptions, but that if he doesn't want to male the extra trip then just accept that. Out of curiosity, how many hours will he have to travel to meet you in London and what's the approximate cost?

I don’t get why you don’t get that these dates were suggested a year in advance and he agreed to them?

Smoronic · 19/05/2025 06:26

The thing I'm most confused about is why you don't stay for longer? DH returns earlier and you bring the DC back after another week?

PotolKimchi · 19/05/2025 06:26

He’s allowed to say he doesn’t want to spend ten days in a cottage. You are allowed to say look X works for us, Y doesn’t. There is no big drama here.

I think this trip is huge for you. You have had a life changing illness, a sick child, this trip is costing a lot of money, there is a sick relative involved, you don’t know when you will come again. The stakes are high for you but they are not for him. It doesn’t make him a bad brother or a horrible person.

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:27

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:24

He agreed to these dates a year in advance of OP’s visit. He could coincide it with one of his regular visits to his parents. He clearly just doesn’t want to. He should have said from the start that he couldn’t make, instead of acting like this after plans have been made and OP likely booked accommodation big enough because he said he was coming.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

Not what the OP indicated to me, but it has it fairness changed over the course of the thread. It’s seems here it was a no from the start. 🤷‍♀️

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:27

PotolKimchi · 19/05/2025 06:17

Also. Maybe his wife organises the catch ups with the in laws. But while you are friendly with the wife maybe seeing you is not a priority for her. And they see family because it’s an ongoing active relationship. They are never going to have that with your kids. So he’s coming to see you.

Ouch!! My poor kids I guess. Luckily my family do make an effort with them.

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moose62 · 19/05/2025 06:27

I get why you are upset and don't really understand why people are blaming you for emigrating. My son lives in Australia and I have just been to visit him. The jet lag was awful following 30 hours of travelling and took me 2 days to feel normal again. With two children I understand why you want to stay put when you get here.
There is obviously something else going on. I wouldn't try and find out what, just make plans to meet at Heathrow and that gives him time to think about whether he wants to change his mind.

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:28

Smoronic · 19/05/2025 06:26

The thing I'm most confused about is why you don't stay for longer? DH returns earlier and you bring the DC back after another week?

She’s already explained she has had life changing surgery and would struggle with the two young kids (one a toddler) on such a long journey.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:28

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:27

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

Not what the OP indicated to me, but it has it fairness changed over the course of the thread. It’s seems here it was a no from the start. 🤷‍♀️

Because he agreed and now we have booked the place and let him know it wouldn’t cost him anything he changed his bloody mind!

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Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:30

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:26

I don’t get why you don’t get that these dates were suggested a year in advance and he agreed to them?

Because alot can change in a year. If someone asked me something a year in advance all I can say is yes or I'll have to let you know closer to the time? I feel I'm missing something because I think OPs brother already seems like he is making an effort to see her, as far as I can see the brother is making a special flight to London yet OP isn't making any extra travel out of the plans she's already made. How much she's travelling is irrelevant as that was part of her trip.