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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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WutheringBites · 19/05/2025 04:22

Has he fallen out with someone in your extended family? Might be a reason he doesn’t want to stay…
alternatively, he might just not get what your children will enjoy/cope with. Or that your choices revolve around what they want to do, as they are your priority (not just doing what you fancy). This can be hard for some people to grasp IME.

have you spoken to him via telephone/video or something? Sometimes stuff doesn’t translate via text

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 04:38

My sister emigrated, every time she came home she expected everyone’s holiday plans to be around her.

We got “but I’ve travelled this far” and made to feel guilty that we wouldn’t fit in with plans that she wanted.

You’ve emigrated, one of the things is that you’re not going to see family so much. Your choice.

Your children are not too young to take on tubes etc and a 6 year old has plenty to do in London.

SilverCoins · 19/05/2025 04:39

I live abroad so I do feel your pain, however it could be that those 2 /3 trips back home he does are planned to when it works well for him and the 10 days that you've picked are not as convenient so he's trying to minimise his time away from his current home town. So, the answer may well be that you don't see him this time around, or your husband and kids stay at the holiday home with the wider family and you take a solo trip up to meet your brother.

You can't please everyone on these types of trips home, so don't bother - trust me, after almost 20 years of them, I know that for every trip, at least one person will be put out. Not everyone will offer you the flexibility you expect, and often won't (or in all fairness because of their own stuff - can't) go out of their way to accommodate your journey back to the UK. All you can do is strike a balance between how much you're bothered and what works for you, and let the rest wash over you.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:07

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 04:38

My sister emigrated, every time she came home she expected everyone’s holiday plans to be around her.

We got “but I’ve travelled this far” and made to feel guilty that we wouldn’t fit in with plans that she wanted.

You’ve emigrated, one of the things is that you’re not going to see family so much. Your choice.

Your children are not too young to take on tubes etc and a 6 year old has plenty to do in London.

My children are already traveling a really long way. Why should they travel even further instead of an adult coming to them when they already do that journey multiple times a year. My brother also lives abroad so we have both emigrated.

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:09

SilverCoins · 19/05/2025 04:39

I live abroad so I do feel your pain, however it could be that those 2 /3 trips back home he does are planned to when it works well for him and the 10 days that you've picked are not as convenient so he's trying to minimise his time away from his current home town. So, the answer may well be that you don't see him this time around, or your husband and kids stay at the holiday home with the wider family and you take a solo trip up to meet your brother.

You can't please everyone on these types of trips home, so don't bother - trust me, after almost 20 years of them, I know that for every trip, at least one person will be put out. Not everyone will offer you the flexibility you expect, and often won't (or in all fairness because of their own stuff - can't) go out of their way to accommodate your journey back to the UK. All you can do is strike a balance between how much you're bothered and what works for you, and let the rest wash over you.

Edited

We have given them a years notice and their other trips tend to be planned around his wife’s family events, so I’m genuinely a bit baffled. I’m hoping it’s just an oversight on his part we can work out.

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PotolKimchi · 19/05/2025 05:09

But why can’t you meet him at Heathrow then? Find a spot with a view of the planes. Kids can watch take off and landing. You catch up with your brother. Kids eat some food and also if they get impatient your partner can take them for a walk around the airport.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:13

WutheringBites · 19/05/2025 04:22

Has he fallen out with someone in your extended family? Might be a reason he doesn’t want to stay…
alternatively, he might just not get what your children will enjoy/cope with. Or that your choices revolve around what they want to do, as they are your priority (not just doing what you fancy). This can be hard for some people to grasp IME.

have you spoken to him via telephone/video or something? Sometimes stuff doesn’t translate via text

I did wonder this but he’s got 2 upcoming trips planned! I’m starting to wonder if it’s because he doesn’t want to travel to see us alone as when we spoke it didn’t seem like his wife is bothered about seeing us which is also confusing as we have always all got on well. There’s genuinely no drama there, no fall outs. I do think they are probably getting fed up of each time they fly back to the UK they have to travel to see everyone and hire a car etc, but they are doing it for upcoming trips. We won’t be back again for another several years as it costs so much and is a big journey. I’m hoping he may tell me what the real hang up on traveling to see us is.

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:15

PotolKimchi · 19/05/2025 05:09

But why can’t you meet him at Heathrow then? Find a spot with a view of the planes. Kids can watch take off and landing. You catch up with your brother. Kids eat some food and also if they get impatient your partner can take them for a walk around the airport.

We won’t be at Heathrow until the day we are flying back out again. It’s been years since I’ve been at Heathrow but it’s always been really busy and is there anywhere to eat before you go through security? I’ve never really spent time in Heathrow other than checking in and going right to security. I thought the restaurants etc were all past security?
They travel all over to see his wife’s family each time they fly back and to see my family too so I don’t understand why seeing us is different, I’m hoping my brother may tell me what’s really going on.

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SendBooksAndTea · 19/05/2025 05:17

It would be nice for your brother to come, but he doesn't want to, which is fine. You can now decide if you'd like to go to meet him, if not you just won't see him, which is also fine.

I wouldnt worry about the children's ages though. I've been taking dd to London once a year since she was tiny and she's always loved it, it might be that you all fancy a change of scenery for a day. You could always do the Natural History or Science Museum, see Buckingham Palace etc.

Princessfluffy · 19/05/2025 05:18

Why not meet him near the airport at the very beginning or very end of your trip? The kids will be happy with an outing to the park.

RawBloomers · 19/05/2025 05:21

I can see why you don’t want to do the London lunch given your tight timeline. It’s too much travel for too little time with your brother. Take you most of a day for a couple of hours.

But I think objecting to Heathrow, if he will turn up and meet you for before you go through security or something seems unreasonable (assuming flight isn’t at 7 am or something!). You can have a meal at Heathrow as much as you can in central London.

You have not been back and visited your family at all for 4(?) years, but your brother has done the trip ~10 times. It’s unreasonable to expect him to conform to your timetable because it’s convenient for you.

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 05:24

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:07

My children are already traveling a really long way. Why should they travel even further instead of an adult coming to them when they already do that journey multiple times a year. My brother also lives abroad so we have both emigrated.

Why should your brother have to travel because you’ve emigrated and come back like the prodigal daughter?

Look, I’m home, everyone must come to us! Well actually things like leave at that time may not suit him or his work schedule? He doesn’t want to share a holiday place for his annual leave, cost or not.

He is clearly not that bothered.

You emigrated, your choice, you can’t expect everyone to fit in with your plans, they have their own.

And no you don’t have to make your children travel, just say no. I don’t think he’s going to be upset by that?

Scarydinosaurs · 19/05/2025 05:24

Meeting at Heathrow on your way home is a good compromise.

There are restaurants before you go through/plus nearby.

It’s an easy compromise.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:27

RawBloomers · 19/05/2025 05:21

I can see why you don’t want to do the London lunch given your tight timeline. It’s too much travel for too little time with your brother. Take you most of a day for a couple of hours.

But I think objecting to Heathrow, if he will turn up and meet you for before you go through security or something seems unreasonable (assuming flight isn’t at 7 am or something!). You can have a meal at Heathrow as much as you can in central London.

You have not been back and visited your family at all for 4(?) years, but your brother has done the trip ~10 times. It’s unreasonable to expect him to conform to your timetable because it’s convenient for you.

I had to have life changing surgery after a bad accident (I’m still partially disabled which is why my partner coming too is relevant) and then I had a baby during those 4 years and so I couldn’t travel at all due to the recovery time of my surgery and rehab and then I was having a high risk pregnancy and my baby actually came prematurely and so again the timing didn’t work out as we wanted my youngest to be a bit more robust health wise before such a long flight.
It’s not because I didn’t want to come back. My brother hasn’t visited me at all, he has come back to visit family in the UK as their flight is 2 hours and not expensive and he doesn’t have children. It’s not quite the same.

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:28

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 05:24

Why should your brother have to travel because you’ve emigrated and come back like the prodigal daughter?

Look, I’m home, everyone must come to us! Well actually things like leave at that time may not suit him or his work schedule? He doesn’t want to share a holiday place for his annual leave, cost or not.

He is clearly not that bothered.

You emigrated, your choice, you can’t expect everyone to fit in with your plans, they have their own.

And no you don’t have to make your children travel, just say no. I don’t think he’s going to be upset by that?

My brother works for himself so leave isn’t an issue (he has confirmed this) and he also lives abroad…and comes back to the UK often.
Not sure I get the nastiness of this.

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:29

Scarydinosaurs · 19/05/2025 05:24

Meeting at Heathrow on your way home is a good compromise.

There are restaurants before you go through/plus nearby.

It’s an easy compromise.

This may be what we have to do. I think I’m going to have to voice that I don’t understand why they can come back to the UK and travel to see family but can’t this one time we will be there? It is hurtful.

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CleanShirt · 19/05/2025 05:31

Why do you keep repeating that he doesn't have children?

EdisinBurgh · 19/05/2025 05:32

Either he doesn’t really care about seeing you OR he’s a bit dense and not thinking it through. People who travel a lot often overthink how easy it is to meet up at an airport or mutual city because they do it frequently. Have you actually picked up the phone and said “Brother, we want to see you, the kids need some uncle time and thats not a quick chat outside WH Smith in terminal 2: I won’t be able to come back for years so stop being a dick, pull your finger out and come to the holiday rental for some quality time or I’ll be cross” (adjust for tone to match how you usually speak to your bro!)

If you can’t do that perhaps the issue is you’re not very close … these trips can make this apparent. See my first point…

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:34

CleanShirt · 19/05/2025 05:31

Why do you keep repeating that he doesn't have children?

Because traveling several hours on the train and tubes to central London with 2 jet lagged children because we are flying from Australia isn’t the same as him flying from 2 hours away. I’d say it’s very relevant.

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TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 05:34

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:28

My brother works for himself so leave isn’t an issue (he has confirmed this) and he also lives abroad…and comes back to the UK often.
Not sure I get the nastiness of this.

I’m giving a view point of a person that’s sister used to do this all the bloody time!

I’m home from Australia, so we have to meet and holiday together and you’ve got to see me, because I’ve chosen a certain date and you must conform. It didn’t always fit in with my family schedule, I also had young children and commitments for various things. Which could’ve been as simple as I wanted to attend an event on that weekend, that I’d booked tickets for. It means I don’t want to just lose those, but no thought is given to prior arrangements.

You don’t like that, well that’s how it is. You say he’s self employed, that doesn’t mean “leave is not an issue”, he still has commitments and deadlines. Do you think self employed means not working? Of course it doesn’t and in many cases it’s harder to deal with leave.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:35

EdisinBurgh · 19/05/2025 05:32

Either he doesn’t really care about seeing you OR he’s a bit dense and not thinking it through. People who travel a lot often overthink how easy it is to meet up at an airport or mutual city because they do it frequently. Have you actually picked up the phone and said “Brother, we want to see you, the kids need some uncle time and thats not a quick chat outside WH Smith in terminal 2: I won’t be able to come back for years so stop being a dick, pull your finger out and come to the holiday rental for some quality time or I’ll be cross” (adjust for tone to match how you usually speak to your bro!)

If you can’t do that perhaps the issue is you’re not very close … these trips can make this apparent. See my first point…

I’m going to give this a go! And then if he won’t budge then I guess we will have to meet at the airport. It will just be a bit of an odd meeting sadly, but better than nothing! We talk weekly which is why I guess I’m so surprised. Our parents think something else may be going on as they are also surprised but also they have no idea what!

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Bodonka · 19/05/2025 05:38

If he doesn’t want to, that’s fine and just leave it. He’s suggested a compromise where he still travels to see you, if you don’t agree you won’t be seeing him. It is what it is.

Echo what others have said though. I completely understand what you’re saying around it being hard work, but your children would absolutely enjoy London at that age! We live close-ish and DS has been obsessed with going in and riding the tube since he could say ‘tube’ 😂 Heathrow also definitely has restaurants and places to sit and watch the planes before security (this has also been a day out for us before!) so you do have options. I understand you’re put out that he doesn’t want to fit into your plans, but that it what it is sometimes - like how you don’t want to fit into his!

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:38

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 05:34

I’m giving a view point of a person that’s sister used to do this all the bloody time!

I’m home from Australia, so we have to meet and holiday together and you’ve got to see me, because I’ve chosen a certain date and you must conform. It didn’t always fit in with my family schedule, I also had young children and commitments for various things. Which could’ve been as simple as I wanted to attend an event on that weekend, that I’d booked tickets for. It means I don’t want to just lose those, but no thought is given to prior arrangements.

You don’t like that, well that’s how it is. You say he’s self employed, that doesn’t mean “leave is not an issue”, he still has commitments and deadlines. Do you think self employed means not working? Of course it doesn’t and in many cases it’s harder to deal with leave.

So we are booking a year out and told my family first to make sure we try and get to see them first, there are no scheduling conflicts etc. My brother has his own business and told me leave wouldn’t be an issue. That’s why we thought he wanted to do the holiday let too, but we also said we could just meet for the day of that suited them better (again they come back to our hometown often and will stay for 1-2 nights). We actually checked dates with everyone first too! He told me himself leave wouldn’t be an issue. I think you are sending a message to your sister almost here, but the circumstances are different. Again, we checked dates with everyone before booking!

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PotolKimchi · 19/05/2025 05:40

Because he travels to the UK on his terms. This time it’s dictated by someone else (and mostly that someone else’s children and their requirements). Your brother has no real relationship with your kids and most likely won’t have a close one given the distance. So really it’s just you he wants to see.

This is someone who is taking time out, and flying out from another country to have a meal at Heathrow JUST to see you. I would be very touched by this. I don’t think there is any big drama. I am sure you like his wife etc but to her you are her brother’s wife she will see a couple of times in a decade maybe. Maybe she just didn’t want to make the trip?

Disasterclass · 19/05/2025 05:40

I think he has compromised to you by suggesting Heathrow. It’s a place you have to be anyway, so presumably he suggested it as it is easy for you, and easier for him than travelling to your home town. I would agree to meet him there