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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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IAmUsingTheApplauseReactionSarcastically · 19/05/2025 06:44

Twilightstarbright · 19/05/2025 06:30

@JIMER202 there is a place called Hobbledown Heath a stones throw from Heathrow. Go there earlier in the day, and your partner can take your kids around it which you and your brother have a catch up in the cafe or in the cafe of the golf place next door. HH is the perfect place for kids the same age as yours.

Similar but not identical- we used to live abroad and so did DH’s sister. Lots of being told we should fly to them, fly on dates that suited them etc but it wasn’t always as simple as that. It’s the reality of moving abroad.

I was going to suggest same but Kew Gardens. If luggage is an issue: leave it in the car (if you have one); the hotel can store it even if your room isn’t ready; or according to the Bounce website there’s a dry cleaners nearby that has a sideline in luggage storage.

saraclara · 19/05/2025 06:45

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:42

Why don’t you take a day out of your holiday, meet him in london alone and talk to him? If you think that it’s more than he is being lazy?

He has at least one, if not two nephews/nieces that he hasn't met. The whole point of travelling from Australia is surely to connect with family. Why on earth would OP meet him alone and leave it even longer for her children to meet their uncle?

MiniPantherOwner · 19/05/2025 06:45

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:22

This may be it! If he will hop in a taxi this may be the plan that makes the most sense of he wants to fly in and back out again! Thank you! Now we have to hope he can find flights that line up 😆 We can be somewhat flexible with what time we leave to get to Heathrow but the earliest we can check in to our room is 4pm so hopefully he can find a late flight back out again

Even if you can't check in until 4 I'm sure the hotel will have somewhere to store your bags for you. Just leave first thing in the morning and spend as much of the day as you can with your brother. From his point of view he's flying 2 hrs each way just to see you and obviously doesn't fancy several more hours of driving on top when, for whatever reason, he doesn't want to stay in the holiday cottage. Could he find one of your relatives difficult to spend extended time with? It can be hard being stuck in a cottage with someone you struggle with.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:45

Plum02 · 19/05/2025 06:43

I’m sure if you went and visited your DB he’d also take time off work to spend with you. But you’re not making the effort to visit anyone, you’re going to your hometown and expecting everyone else to make the effort to visit you…

And I have lived abroad in two different countries - odd assumption that because people disagree with you they must never have lived away from family.

What? My family and friend group are in my hometown. We are going to see them? 😆 We are flying from Australia with drives either way to get there. And that isn’t traveling to see anyone? My brothers country would be another flight from London, we don’t have the time and my kids will already be jet lagged. This isn’t the trip for us to go visit him in his country.

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HoppingPavlova · 19/05/2025 06:46

We will have to cut a day off our paid for holiday let and time to see other friends/family and pay for a Heathrow hotel as our flight leaving London is 11.30 in the morning so I’m going to let him know all that and see if he changes his mind or not

That makes little sense. You say it’s a 4hr drive from Heathrow to where your family is meeting up? And your flight is 11.30am. So, you’d be wanting to get to Heathrow a few hours before to allow security etc, so you’d be leaving the holiday place around 4am (ish), 5 at an absolute pinch. That’s yourself, DH up, kids up, all ready, packed, fed, in car by 4-5am? With young kids? Common sense says you would stay at Heathrow the night before surely to avoid such an early morning debacle? That’s likely why he thought you’d be around Heathrow. Telling him he is making you stay for the night would be perplexing as for this situation that would have been a base assumption.

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:46

saraclara · 19/05/2025 06:45

He has at least one, if not two nephews/nieces that he hasn't met. The whole point of travelling from Australia is surely to connect with family. Why on earth would OP meet him alone and leave it even longer for her children to meet their uncle?

Because she’s concerned that something is going on? That may not be able to be discussed with young children and partners there? She’s said that many times through this post.

dunroamingfornow · 19/05/2025 06:46

Pigsears · 19/05/2025 06:00

Maybe he doesn't want to commit to it now because he can't plan that far ahead... Maybe his wife is newly pregnant for example so wants to leave things open? It's a long way off so you don't need to fix plans right now ?

I wondered this and/ or fertility issues so not wanting to stay with extended family ?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:47

saraclara · 19/05/2025 06:45

He has at least one, if not two nephews/nieces that he hasn't met. The whole point of travelling from Australia is surely to connect with family. Why on earth would OP meet him alone and leave it even longer for her children to meet their uncle?

Thank you! The point is for my children to meet everyone as it may be a little while before we can afford to come back again. Will try not to leave it so long again but as we found before, life has a tendency to get in the way.

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Secretsquirels · 19/05/2025 06:47

I know that you’ve said they’re child free by choice, but is there a possibility that she’s pregnant? Trying to do an international fly-in fly-out trip in one day on his own sounds either like your brother is trying to limit costs or like he is trying to limit time away from his partner. Is she perhaps not wanting to fly at that time? Possibly for good reason?

Id have a look at the closest regional airport to your parents and see if there are flight in/out from where your brother lives which would suit a day out. Or id do the Heathrow hotel plan.

askmenow · 19/05/2025 06:49

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:36

Nothing has changed, you’re right. From the start he said can we meet in London.

My answer before was to you ! But you’re wrong a lot has changed for the a-holes sis.

Shes had life changing events and is now disabled as well as having two tired young children she’d be dragging down to London.

He’s a dick!

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:50

Secretsquirels · 19/05/2025 06:47

I know that you’ve said they’re child free by choice, but is there a possibility that she’s pregnant? Trying to do an international fly-in fly-out trip in one day on his own sounds either like your brother is trying to limit costs or like he is trying to limit time away from his partner. Is she perhaps not wanting to fly at that time? Possibly for good reason?

Id have a look at the closest regional airport to your parents and see if there are flight in/out from where your brother lives which would suit a day out. Or id do the Heathrow hotel plan.

She physically cannot be pregnant. They are not pregnant or trying to conceive. She actually is going to come with him and go to central London for work if she can and the times work out. I should have added that sooner! That’s when we thought oh she isn’t that fussed about seeing us then 😆 which was a bit of a surprise

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Coconutter24 · 19/05/2025 06:50

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:58

And this is why I’m annoyed he won’t come home when we are there? I don’t really see your point I’m afraid.

Why didn’t you plan to go on one of those multiple times he is already there?

Dreambouse · 19/05/2025 06:50

Wow some of these replies seem super harsh and not sure why?!

OP you're travelling a long way with small children and for a fairly short amount of time, it's not unreasonable to be hesitant to commit to meeting at Heathrow as even when you land/before take off it takes planning. If he won't budge then obviously up to you, I personally would view it as he's not too bothered for whatever reason and just leave the offer of meeting in your hometown. Maybe ask about the driving though or if there's another reason.

Enjoy your trip back with your family :)

Plum02 · 19/05/2025 06:50

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:45

What? My family and friend group are in my hometown. We are going to see them? 😆 We are flying from Australia with drives either way to get there. And that isn’t traveling to see anyone? My brothers country would be another flight from London, we don’t have the time and my kids will already be jet lagged. This isn’t the trip for us to go visit him in his country.

You’re visiting your hometown because that suits you because it’s where most of your family and friends are. When someone comes to visit you they are specifically making an effort to come and see you personally, presumably arranged at a time that suits you - can you not see the difference?

You’re complaining that when people visit you you make the effort to take time off work but that your DB won’t travel to your hometown to meet you. Yet he’s already flying in from abroad - you’re making zero effort to see him.

You sound extremely self absorbed.

IwasDueANameChange · 19/05/2025 06:51

it sounds like you are the rigid one expecting your brother to fall in with your plans. I agree with this poster. Just because you emigrated doesn't mean people have to fall in place to suit you on your visits back. It's a price of emigrating I've seen a few 'caught out' by. The world keeps turning for other people's lives too not just the emigres.

This. Dsil emigrated to oz and honestly its a real pain. Its so bloody far away that every trip home is a marathon event where she expects us all to be available, the jetlag is horrible. Its hard for her to understand that our lives have gone on here without her and perhaps we aren't free or don't want to spend valuable annual leave doing whatever it is she has planned. The whole visiting thing is also really awkward, she clearly doesn't understand at all why we aren't all desperate to visit them, and can't seem to grasp that:

  • it costs a fortune to fly a family of four
  • the times of year we'd have to go don't work for our jobs or the children's school holidays
  • we cannot face travelling at christmas with jetlagged children
  • we aren't especially interested in holidays in Australia

When you choose to emigrate (its always a choice, your DH could have got a different job here) you are essentially choosing to leave family behind and lose those relationships to degree.

everythingthelighttouches · 19/05/2025 06:51

OP, I mean this kindly,but I think there is something being unsaid on your part here. You just hint at it in your OP.

I think your main problem here is that although you haven’t been back for a while and you have had some pretty traumatic experiences in the last few years, and have very young children, your DH is only able to take 2 weeks off, despite being self-employed and this being planned so well in advance.

It sounds like you are very keen to see all your family and them to see you. Your brother is even flying in himself, which is probably a very long trip door-to-door?

You don’t mention your DH’s family, are they from the U.K. too?

I have quite a lot of friends and family in Aus and I don’t know anyone who has come back for as little as 10 days with kids. 10 days puts enormous pressure on what is already extremely precious time with your family.

I don’t think you would be having these difficult considerations with your brother if it wasn’t for the time pressure.

Perhaps if you have a heart to heart with your brother on the phone, explain that you really would have liked to have spent longer, that this is out of your control and it would mean so much to you if he could put himself out this extra bit, he might change his mind?

HoppingPavlova · 19/05/2025 06:52

@nomas OP has said she would need to arrive at Heathrow the night before if she were to meet him

See my previous post. Doesn’t make sense unless OP wants to get up at 3am odd with young children to drag them to a morning flight. With that flight time, it’s either doing it that (excruciatingly hard) way, or the normal way of getting room at Heathrow the night before.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:53

Coconutter24 · 19/05/2025 06:50

Why didn’t you plan to go on one of those multiple times he is already there?

Are you joking 😆 Planning a trip from Australia means we have to take time off from work and school, book flights and accommodation, check with family when they are free (which he IS!!)
I can’t just hop over to the UK. He lives a 2hr flight so they can book last minute and come back whenever. They both work from home and have flexible schedules. Why can’t he plan his next trip for when we are coming?

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PussInBin20 · 19/05/2025 06:53

There’s no point arguing with everyone on here. Either directly say to your brother that you can’t do what he wants or just accept you won’t see him.

I don’t think YABU but you have to do what’s best for your family/children.

tiramisunow · 19/05/2025 06:53

Some posters seem keen to demonise your brother as a selfish arse, and I get that slight vibe you like that too although that's understandable, I'd feel the same... But actually it takes a big effort to fly 4 hours round trip just to have a meal at Heathrow. Saying this as a frequent flyer myself, it's still knackering and expensive (even if it's on a budget airline, that's a few hundred £ meal with you!).

From what you've said like: he takes a big interest in your kids, usually makes an effort, no problem going back to your hometown usually, OK with dates previously. I'm inclined to think there's something going on he can't tell you about.

Eg his wife's preferences or condition (could just be something as "small" as current mental health). I've been in a position before where I can't even say "actually there's something going on with xyz which I can't tell you about" to respect the other person's privacy. Might not be his wife but I feel like in these circumstances there has to be a reason he's not telling you, not just "laziness" or selfishness (it's really not lazy or selfish to fly 4hrs – more if you factor in check in, travel to airport time – for a meal in a grubby Heathrow restaurant!)

Cabbagefamily · 19/05/2025 06:54

To be fair, your brother might not be very interested in your small children. He might want to see you but can take it or leave as regards the children.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:54

HoppingPavlova · 19/05/2025 06:52

@nomas OP has said she would need to arrive at Heathrow the night before if she were to meet him

See my previous post. Doesn’t make sense unless OP wants to get up at 3am odd with young children to drag them to a morning flight. With that flight time, it’s either doing it that (excruciatingly hard) way, or the normal way of getting room at Heathrow the night before.

But my children will be in bed the night before. We can’t check in till 4pm as I said on an earlier post. And he is trying to fly in/out the same day. We have hire car to drop back off too. So it’s going to be a lot of working around him and his flight times if he can even get flights that work with us not getting there till 3 or 4pm

OP posts:
nomas · 19/05/2025 06:54

tiramisunow · 19/05/2025 06:53

Some posters seem keen to demonise your brother as a selfish arse, and I get that slight vibe you like that too although that's understandable, I'd feel the same... But actually it takes a big effort to fly 4 hours round trip just to have a meal at Heathrow. Saying this as a frequent flyer myself, it's still knackering and expensive (even if it's on a budget airline, that's a few hundred £ meal with you!).

From what you've said like: he takes a big interest in your kids, usually makes an effort, no problem going back to your hometown usually, OK with dates previously. I'm inclined to think there's something going on he can't tell you about.

Eg his wife's preferences or condition (could just be something as "small" as current mental health). I've been in a position before where I can't even say "actually there's something going on with xyz which I can't tell you about" to respect the other person's privacy. Might not be his wife but I feel like in these circumstances there has to be a reason he's not telling you, not just "laziness" or selfishness (it's really not lazy or selfish to fly 4hrs – more if you factor in check in, travel to airport time – for a meal in a grubby Heathrow restaurant!)

Edited

He’s not flying to Heathrow to meet OP, he’ll be there anyway with his wife.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:55

Again ouch! I don’t know why people keep writing hurtful comments that because we live abroad people don’t care about my children. They aren’t just small children, they are his nephews. He likes kids.

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Pembrokecrier · 19/05/2025 06:55

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:54

He’s not flying to Heathrow to meet OP, he’ll be there anyway with his wife.

No, he’s flying to meet his sister. I thought this was clear?