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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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Pigsears · 19/05/2025 06:00

Maybe he doesn't want to commit to it now because he can't plan that far ahead... Maybe his wife is newly pregnant for example so wants to leave things open? It's a long way off so you don't need to fix plans right now ?

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:00

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:49

My brother also emigrated! Which is why he wants to meet in London….

Oh so does this mean he's travelling to London just for you? In that case I think YABU if you expect him to do that and then come to the holiday cottage. Yes it would be lovely if he did but I think it's not fair for you to expect that.

MotherofGoddess · 19/05/2025 06:01

If your flight is at 11:30/11:45am, surely you’ll be staying at Heathrow the night before anyway. Why would you want the stress of a 4 hour journey from your rural holiday location to get to Heathrow before your long flight?

That said, I hope you do get to see your brother at a time and place which suits you both!

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:02

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:58

And this is why I’m annoyed he won’t come home when we are there? I don’t really see your point I’m afraid.

But maybe that's because that coincides with something else? It's strange that you can't see that.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:03

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:00

Oh so does this mean he's travelling to London just for you? In that case I think YABU if you expect him to do that and then come to the holiday cottage. Yes it would be lovely if he did but I think it's not fair for you to expect that.

His flight goes in to London. Again he travels to our hometown multiple times a year. So that’s why I don’t understand why he won’t when we will be there.

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:03

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:02

But maybe that's because that coincides with something else? It's strange that you can't see that.

Because we made sure we checked dates and they agreed those dates worked for them and were free, no issues etc.

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WonderingWanda · 19/05/2025 06:04

Has it occurred to you that they might have something going on you aren't aware of? Maybe fertility issues? You don't mention his age but keep going on about how he doesn't have children. Maybe his wife is struggling with this and doesn't want to stay in the holiday let. Maybe one of them feels uncomfortable staying in the same accommodation as your family, you say they visit but do they stay over normally or just pass through? Or maybe he feels hurt you moved to the others idea of the world, rarely come back and now can't even be bothered to make the effort to go and meet him in London.....again you've mentioned his lack of kids so why would he understand the difficulties of travel with small kids. You are so busy feeling hurt and wanting him to fit to your plans you don't seem willing to consider what might be going on for them. For what it's worth I think two jet lagged kids couped up in a holiday cottage with grandparents would love a train trip and a visit to London at the end of their holiday. My kids coped way better with jet lag than me.

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:07

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:00

Because the traveling either side means it’s 2 weeks for my oldest to be off school and for us to be off work. My family will be taking a few days here or there which is why we double checked with them all before we chose the dates. My mum couldn’t do a certain week and so we changed it all. My brother is trying to fly in and out on the same day which is adding the London restrictions as he is then going to be time restricted.

So you’ve justifiably chosen what’s best for your family?

Which is presumably what your brother is also doing.
Honestly, because you’ve come a long way, doesn’t mean other people’s plans are less important.

Unless you’re saying your brother just doesn’t want to see you, which you’ll need to discuss with him.

But I think you’ve started off saying, you don’t think he’s bending over backwards to fit in with your plans and agree to a family holiday. Which he is entitled to do. Even if he just doesn’t fancy holidaying with family and young children.

JustSaying10 · 19/05/2025 06:07

You don't know what's going on in their lives, health worries, money worries, infertility, marriage problems, business problems...He is flying 2 hours to meet up. Accept that it may be all that they can manage right now. Accept it and appreciate the considerable effort. Or if you don't want to give up a day, decline with gratitude. Your partner could equally have prioritised a longer trip but didn't or couldn't.

Middlechild3 · 19/05/2025 06:07

Every response you make to a poster is expressing anger that your brother won't fall in with your plans. Doesn't matter it's 'a year out' or he's self employed or doesn't have kids. Your plans don't work for him and his wife, he's offered an alternative. Take it or leave it. You aren't visiting royalty.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:07

MotherofGoddess · 19/05/2025 06:01

If your flight is at 11:30/11:45am, surely you’ll be staying at Heathrow the night before anyway. Why would you want the stress of a 4 hour journey from your rural holiday location to get to Heathrow before your long flight?

That said, I hope you do get to see your brother at a time and place which suits you both!

Thank you! And our plan was to check out of the holiday let and then drive up to Heathrow, drop off hire car etc and get to the hotel around 7pm which is then dinner and bed for my children. The hotel isn’t at Heathrow but close by. So would mean meeting for a late dinner with all our bags and things if we did it the night before. The morning of won’t work as it would be too early and my brother is trying to fly in and back out again.

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nomas · 19/05/2025 06:07

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 04:38

My sister emigrated, every time she came home she expected everyone’s holiday plans to be around her.

We got “but I’ve travelled this far” and made to feel guilty that we wouldn’t fit in with plans that she wanted.

You’ve emigrated, one of the things is that you’re not going to see family so much. Your choice.

Your children are not too young to take on tubes etc and a 6 year old has plenty to do in London.

If he doesn’t want to make an effort to see her, that’s choice. But equally she doesn’t need to go to central london to see him.

Nesbi · 19/05/2025 06:08

He has offered a compromise that still involves him flying to another country just to see you. It may not be your ideal but that is the nature of compromise.

you say you get on well, but not well enough for you to respect what he is saying here - apparently he either needs to conform fully to what you want or he has to offer an excuse that you consider acceptable (even though it might be that he isn’t comfortable sharing that with you, and for all you know he is doing his best to make this work).

if you keep pushing the “my way or you must tell me why not” line you might well be pushing this towards an argument you don’t need to have.

If the result of pushing is that you damage your relationship to the point that you don’t see him at all, will it have been worth it?

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:08

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:03

Because we made sure we checked dates and they agreed those dates worked for them and were free, no issues etc.

So he agreed that was fine, but now has changed his mind? Then surely something has changed

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:08

JustSaying10 · 19/05/2025 06:07

You don't know what's going on in their lives, health worries, money worries, infertility, marriage problems, business problems...He is flying 2 hours to meet up. Accept that it may be all that they can manage right now. Accept it and appreciate the considerable effort. Or if you don't want to give up a day, decline with gratitude. Your partner could equally have prioritised a longer trip but didn't or couldn't.

Edited

2 weeks off work is a considerable chunk of time for most employers. I don’t think attacking my partner is necessary.

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TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:09

nomas · 19/05/2025 06:07

If he doesn’t want to make an effort to see her, that’s choice. But equally she doesn’t need to go to central london to see him.

Absolutely!

Of course she doesn’t! But she’s making it sound like she has to!

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 06:10

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:08

2 weeks off work is a considerable chunk of time for most employers. I don’t think attacking my partner is necessary.

Oh give over! Attacking your partner!

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:10

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:08

So he agreed that was fine, but now has changed his mind? Then surely something has changed

Yes! And this is why all the confusion and hurt because again, he travels to our hometown often and is now saying he won’t. And can we just meet in central London for the day as that’s easier for him.
He and his wife are happily child free so my children aren’t the issue there. My brother has voices he wants to see them and meet my youngest so it’s a bit confusing what’s happened really. He’s travelling to see our family soon so I can’t even think it’s a family falling out? More just not thinking maybe?

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Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:10

Nesbi · 19/05/2025 06:08

He has offered a compromise that still involves him flying to another country just to see you. It may not be your ideal but that is the nature of compromise.

you say you get on well, but not well enough for you to respect what he is saying here - apparently he either needs to conform fully to what you want or he has to offer an excuse that you consider acceptable (even though it might be that he isn’t comfortable sharing that with you, and for all you know he is doing his best to make this work).

if you keep pushing the “my way or you must tell me why not” line you might well be pushing this towards an argument you don’t need to have.

If the result of pushing is that you damage your relationship to the point that you don’t see him at all, will it have been worth it?

Yeah I agree with this. You want him to meet you a 100% of the way, whereas he wants to meet yoi 80% of the way. He's still doing most of the effort if he's coming to London. At this stage you're making zero effort. Unless I've misunderstood something

Koalafan · 19/05/2025 06:10

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:08

2 weeks off work is a considerable chunk of time for most employers. I don’t think attacking my partner is necessary.

But it's ok to encourage folk to put your brother in the 'being wrong' position?

Plum02 · 19/05/2025 06:10

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 04:38

My sister emigrated, every time she came home she expected everyone’s holiday plans to be around her.

We got “but I’ve travelled this far” and made to feel guilty that we wouldn’t fit in with plans that she wanted.

You’ve emigrated, one of the things is that you’re not going to see family so much. Your choice.

Your children are not too young to take on tubes etc and a 6 year old has plenty to do in London.

I agree with this. You have to accept that people’s lives continue whether you’re there or not. You made a choice to move to the other side of the world and to therefore not be part of their daily lives. You can’t demand people drop everything and travel to see you when and where it suits you. You need to agree a mutually convenient plan if you want to meet up with DB or anyone else.

I also have a family member who lives in Australia and expects everyone to put their lives on hold to fit around her whenever she comes home.

Tbrh · 19/05/2025 06:11

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:10

Yes! And this is why all the confusion and hurt because again, he travels to our hometown often and is now saying he won’t. And can we just meet in central London for the day as that’s easier for him.
He and his wife are happily child free so my children aren’t the issue there. My brother has voices he wants to see them and meet my youngest so it’s a bit confusing what’s happened really. He’s travelling to see our family soon so I can’t even think it’s a family falling out? More just not thinking maybe?

OK, that's weird then. So something has happened or maybe he's realised it's not fair for him to make all the effort? Or maybe there's something more major going on for him. I don't think he's doing this to purposely be an asshole, so just approach it from not assuming that

PotolKimchi · 19/05/2025 06:12

Drive down earlier to the hotel which you were staying at anyway. Check in earlier, ask your brother to come to the hotel. If your kids are tired, your partner stays with them in the room and you have a nice adult catch up with your brother. Or the kids come down, say a quick hello and go back to bed and you have a nice catch up.

It is very nice of him to fly in just to see you.

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:13

Some posters are saying it’s my fault for emigrating. I had to for my partners work. Again we checked dates with everyone and they got agreed upon, as did the holiday let plan, and this is our first visit home so we aren’t expecting anyone to put things on hold, just to hopefully get to see them. When we have visitors we book leave off work to see them. There’s some vitriol on here about people that emigrate and I don’t really understand it honestly. Because I moved I should have to travel to see everyone when we come back? Unless you’ve lived away from family it’s hard to explain. When we have visitors we take time to spend with them.

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nomas · 19/05/2025 06:14

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:07

Thank you! And our plan was to check out of the holiday let and then drive up to Heathrow, drop off hire car etc and get to the hotel around 7pm which is then dinner and bed for my children. The hotel isn’t at Heathrow but close by. So would mean meeting for a late dinner with all our bags and things if we did it the night before. The morning of won’t work as it would be too early and my brother is trying to fly in and back out again.

For some reason he has regressed into a sulky teen, who knows why, but he has shown his true colours. Maybe he wants to be begged to come. I wouldn’t speak to him about it again.

Also, please do not change your plans, I wouldn’t waste a night to spend a quick hour with him.

Tell him you’ll be checking in at xx time at xx terminal and if he wants to say goodbye there that’s fine.

Also, not every Heathrow terminal has landside restaurants. Most of the terminals have restaurants only on the airside, after passengers pass security.