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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

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Digdongdoo · 17/06/2025 14:54

JIMER202 · 17/06/2025 14:40

The issue we are running in to is fitting everyone into our plans. I have other people I’d like to see but tried to give him first dibs on the days and times that would work for him. I’ve found a day with suitable flights to meet in Oxford and if that compromise won’t work we won’t be able to see him. I will travel back to the UK again as my grandparents health is declining and I will come back should they get even more unwell again, but we won’t have our children travel for another few years due to the cost and from next year won’t be able to take my eldest in term time as her school are stricter the older they get (fair enough) and so the costs will triple to go in school holidays. This is a once in 5 year trip for all
of us. I’m sure I could see my brother next time so am trying to not be too bothered now. I feel better for having said my piece to him.

Gosh the trip isn't until next year is it? It's a bit premature to be telling him off because he won't commit to an exact plan 6+ months in advance! Country cottages aren't really ideal if you want lots of day visitors honestly. I'd have chosen something more accessible if fitting lots of people in was paramount.

nomas · 17/06/2025 14:54

JIMER202 · 17/06/2025 14:18

Update- Brother travelled from Spain to our hometown with his wife last weekend to see both families and mentioned it was planning around seeing their nephew for his birthday.

There are no flights that work on our airport days so that plan is out. Next plan suggested was meeting in Oxford as it’s a train ride from the airport as some of you suggested and then a drive for us in our hire car. We have suggested a day and flight times that will work, still not heard back!

I’ve been clear that I am disappointed that a lot of effort was made to go back and see SILs family (they booked hotels and rented a car) and it feels like we are having to compromise when my young children have already travelled significantly to get back to the UK and he hasn’t even met my youngest.

There is no way I wouldn’t just travel to meet my brother if the roles were reversed. In fact we always collect from the airport and have people stay in our home when they visit us. My brother has never made the visit to Aus.

For now I’ve decided to just leave it up to them. But I feel better for saying directly that I am disappointed.

What was his response to you saying you’re disappointed?

I would match his energy in future - don’t make any effort for him.

BernardButlersBra · 17/06/2025 15:30

I would drop the rope now and leave him to it. 2nights at Heathrow is way too much out of your break, especially as your time in the UK is limited. Sending sympathies as one of my brothers is like yours

@nomas yeah, l wouldn't be breaking my neck to make effort for him and would the match the energy (or lack of)

Tryinghardtobefair · 17/06/2025 15:31

JIMER202 · 17/06/2025 14:40

The issue we are running in to is fitting everyone into our plans. I have other people I’d like to see but tried to give him first dibs on the days and times that would work for him. I’ve found a day with suitable flights to meet in Oxford and if that compromise won’t work we won’t be able to see him. I will travel back to the UK again as my grandparents health is declining and I will come back should they get even more unwell again, but we won’t have our children travel for another few years due to the cost and from next year won’t be able to take my eldest in term time as her school are stricter the older they get (fair enough) and so the costs will triple to go in school holidays. This is a once in 5 year trip for all
of us. I’m sure I could see my brother next time so am trying to not be too bothered now. I feel better for having said my piece to him.

The one thing I've noticed through your thread is your brother is very rigid and wants everything HIS way with zero compromise on all of his visits.

Have you tried just setting a boundary?

"Brother you're being ridiculously rigid, and as always have decided it has to be your way or the highway. This is where I will be, because it works for me and everyone else. It worked for you as well until you decided you needed to be in charge, at financial and emotional cost to me.

If you want to see me then come and see me. You make the time to see everyone else and spend a decent amount of time with them with far less notice and planning. If you don't want to see me then don't bother. I'm not quibbling or creating any more stress while you choose to be awkward".

I really do hope things work out

Jumpingthruhoops · 17/06/2025 15:43

You have not been back and visited your family at all for 4(?) years, but your brother has done the trip ~10 times. It’s unreasonable to expect him to conform to your timetable because it’s convenient for you.

The reason for the frequency (or indeed lack of) is presumably because it takes a WHOLE day to fly from Oz... as opposed to just 2 hours from where OP's DB lives.

I would take 'D'Bs reluctance as a sign that he just doesn't particulary want to see OP.

Diarygirlqueen · 17/06/2025 16:05

I think you have tried your best to accommodate him, I would leave it now and match his energy.
I think he's being very unreasonable, have a good and safe trip catching up with people who want to meet your children. He's missing out.

Rewis · 17/06/2025 16:08

Brother travelled from Spain to our hometown with his wife last weekend to see both families and mentioned it was planning around seeing their nephew for his birthday.

So when it is his wife's family they are willing to give time and effort. Is it because she plans it and he just comes along? Now that he had to organise something he didn't want to? What's the dynamic here?

Pembrokecrier · 17/06/2025 16:38

You are being more than accommodating. If he doesn’t make the effort then leave it at that. You can’t make him

JIMER202 · 17/06/2025 16:51

nomas · 17/06/2025 14:54

What was his response to you saying you’re disappointed?

I would match his energy in future - don’t make any effort for him.

No excuse!! Just said ‘ok thank you’ to the flight info.

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JIMER202 · 17/06/2025 16:53

Rewis · 17/06/2025 16:08

Brother travelled from Spain to our hometown with his wife last weekend to see both families and mentioned it was planning around seeing their nephew for his birthday.

So when it is his wife's family they are willing to give time and effort. Is it because she plans it and he just comes along? Now that he had to organise something he didn't want to? What's the dynamic here?

No very oddly they plan it all together.

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Masmavi · 17/06/2025 17:18

I think you should go and stay with your parents in the cottage and let your brother come if he wants. You haven’t done anything wrong so no need to spend a lot of energy wondering and worrying. Meeting in central London or Heathrow with small children would be exhausting and you wouldn’t have much quality time together. You will have come much further, you have two young children. Later when your kids are older you can maybe take a trip to where your brother lives. If he doesn’t want to come to the cottage, that’s okay. Sometimes everyone just has to meet their own needs and accept that the other side will be disappointed.

Rewis · 17/06/2025 18:45

JIMER202 · 17/06/2025 16:53

No very oddly they plan it all together.

As much as it sucks, sounds like "he's just not that into you". He clearly has skills, money and time to visit but no motivation. Very weird. You need to decide if you're fine with this, If you want to return the lack of effort or if you want to say something and ask why traveling to wife's nephews birthday party was worth a visit, but not seeing his own nephew for the first time and seeing his sister first time in years.

It is so weird how he is willing to put in quite alot of effort but not really.

JIMER202 · 17/06/2025 19:56

Digdongdoo · 17/06/2025 14:54

Gosh the trip isn't until next year is it? It's a bit premature to be telling him off because he won't commit to an exact plan 6+ months in advance! Country cottages aren't really ideal if you want lots of day visitors honestly. I'd have chosen something more accessible if fitting lots of people in was paramount.

The country cottage is where I’m from, and so everyone else is coming to see us and we will have a great time. I’m from the country. If you live in the countryside then it’s easier for people to see us there.
We have people we want to see and tried to give my brother first dibs when he suddenly changed plans to no longer be coming to the cottage. But we are now just letting our time get sorted with others and he can hopefully fit it or not.

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JIMER202 · 17/06/2025 19:58

Rewis · 17/06/2025 18:45

As much as it sucks, sounds like "he's just not that into you". He clearly has skills, money and time to visit but no motivation. Very weird. You need to decide if you're fine with this, If you want to return the lack of effort or if you want to say something and ask why traveling to wife's nephews birthday party was worth a visit, but not seeing his own nephew for the first time and seeing his sister first time in years.

It is so weird how he is willing to put in quite alot of effort but not really.

Edited

I said essentially that today as I’m pissed ofd
honestly. But now I’ve said my piece will let it go. My brother is actually notoriously highly strung and we have realised is a blessing in disguise he’s skipping the cottage as he gets really snappy after a few hours, but hopefully can still meet for a quick lunch. I’ve given up wondering why he makes more effort for his wife’s family and the children on that side but hey ho.

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JIMER202 · 17/06/2025 20:00

Masmavi · 17/06/2025 17:18

I think you should go and stay with your parents in the cottage and let your brother come if he wants. You haven’t done anything wrong so no need to spend a lot of energy wondering and worrying. Meeting in central London or Heathrow with small children would be exhausting and you wouldn’t have much quality time together. You will have come much further, you have two young children. Later when your kids are older you can maybe take a trip to where your brother lives. If he doesn’t want to come to the cottage, that’s okay. Sometimes everyone just has to meet their own needs and accept that the other side will be disappointed.

Yes, this will likely be the only trip we do back to the UK until my children are older so if we average another 4-5 years they would then be quite a bit older and out of the toddler/small child stage! Young children will be easier than toddlers to cajole about I hope 😆 Next trip will probably be just me!

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Digdongdoo · 17/06/2025 20:24

JIMER202 · 17/06/2025 19:56

The country cottage is where I’m from, and so everyone else is coming to see us and we will have a great time. I’m from the country. If you live in the countryside then it’s easier for people to see us there.
We have people we want to see and tried to give my brother first dibs when he suddenly changed plans to no longer be coming to the cottage. But we are now just letting our time get sorted with others and he can hopefully fit it or not.

But it's next year? I still think you need to chill a bit. "Everyone" doesn't live in the county clearly, because it's making it difficult to see the one person you are supposedly giving "dibs" to. Just make your plans, though I'm surprised many people are keen to commit so rigidly to stuff like this so far in advance. I'm sure he'll come and see you in the end.

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