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AIBU?

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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

OP posts:
Rosie8880 · 19/05/2025 12:22

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

You’re not being unreasonable but neither is your brother. You’d like him to understand that meeting all family in one place, as you rarely see anyone due to living abroad makes best sense for you and your family. He doesn’t feel same way - it may be staying with all family and young kids is his idea of hell, especially if he doesn’t have kids. If you want to see him, do it on his terms this time. Make it simple, airport for example. Travel on to the place you have booked. Accept he’s not up for your plans - let it go. Enjoy seeing him and his wife. Understand they have different priorities that you may not understand. Enjoy seeing your brother wherever it may be X

Mamabeans02 · 19/05/2025 12:30

You have 2 young children, which they haven't met yet, they haven't so is it a possibility that his Wife might feel some resentment/jealously because they don't have any children yet?

Jobsworth7 · 19/05/2025 12:33

Mamabeans02 · 19/05/2025 12:30

You have 2 young children, which they haven't met yet, they haven't so is it a possibility that his Wife might feel some resentment/jealously because they don't have any children yet?

No, because she had a tubal ligation in order to avoid pregnancy and is too old.

Towwanthustice · 19/05/2025 12:52

I always find adults with no children are never on the same page. He hasnt walked in your shoes so won't understand the complexities of it all.
I wouldn't do it. Your babies are gping to need as much rest as possible inbewtween travelling there and back.. and u will too.

MumOnBus · 19/05/2025 13:36

I had said YANBU but reading what others said, it looks like you can be a bit more flexible too. Also, it would be lovely memories for your kids to go to London, even if maybe for pics with the Big Ben and in the Natural History museum, if they're into Paddington bear.
I get that all the stress is coming from this being such a short stay in what is such a long journey. Did you not consider for your OH to fly back early but you flying back later with the kids?

Rewis · 19/05/2025 14:15

MumOnBus · 19/05/2025 13:36

I had said YANBU but reading what others said, it looks like you can be a bit more flexible too. Also, it would be lovely memories for your kids to go to London, even if maybe for pics with the Big Ben and in the Natural History museum, if they're into Paddington bear.
I get that all the stress is coming from this being such a short stay in what is such a long journey. Did you not consider for your OH to fly back early but you flying back later with the kids?

Yes they did consider it. But due to op's disability it is not possible for the time being.

Rewis · 19/05/2025 14:25

I think it has been very eye opening to see that so many people think that so many childfree couples want children and those who struggle to have kids also really struggle with meeting niblings

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 14:38

Rewis · 19/05/2025 14:25

I think it has been very eye opening to see that so many people think that so many childfree couples want children and those who struggle to have kids also really struggle with meeting niblings

I agree with you 100%. I don’t know how else to explain that they really chose not to have children, but do still like them and of course love their nieces and nephews. They just didn’t want to have children of their own. I have 4 SILS and 3 are childfree by choice! I’m sure I will get told again as earlier on the thread I’m not close enough to actually know what’s going on, despite us all actually getting on well, but the conversation came up a lot as I did fertility treatment to have one of my children. Again that did not seem relevant to say before. My brother and his wife have been very open about their choice and took measures to prevent having children. My brother wants to meet my children also.

There is so much name calling and nastiness on this thread because I got frustrated with a poster repeatedly digging at me.

We are also traveling when my oldest is in school. I will probably get flamed for that, but those were the dates that also worked for my family and so 2 weeks is as much as we can take this time as a compromise. Before anyone asks why the price difference is truly staggering and around 4x cheaper to go in term time which is significant as this is a very expensive trip for us all.

Again thank you to anyone that has read the thread, been kind and understands some of the complexities going on here. As someone else pointed out they are trying to fly in, his wife go to the London office for work and my brother see us for a quick lunch. I speak to him weekly and he calls my eldest child weekly. We don’t dislike each other. Him changing plans and what feels like trying to fit us in to their day as it’s most convenient for them has hurt my feelings. Of course I have travelled to see people that have moved abroad when they come back. But he doesn’t want to come to our hometown even in his own accommodation (again despite doing this multiple times a year and already agreeing the dates work) and so a quick meal at Heathrow it will be. I’m going to look in to the heath option nearby also and ask can he get a taxi to meet us there. It does feel like tons of bending on our part and I’m still being called names and told how rude and inflexible I am.

OP posts:
Lurker874 · 19/05/2025 14:45

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 14:38

I agree with you 100%. I don’t know how else to explain that they really chose not to have children, but do still like them and of course love their nieces and nephews. They just didn’t want to have children of their own. I have 4 SILS and 3 are childfree by choice! I’m sure I will get told again as earlier on the thread I’m not close enough to actually know what’s going on, despite us all actually getting on well, but the conversation came up a lot as I did fertility treatment to have one of my children. Again that did not seem relevant to say before. My brother and his wife have been very open about their choice and took measures to prevent having children. My brother wants to meet my children also.

There is so much name calling and nastiness on this thread because I got frustrated with a poster repeatedly digging at me.

We are also traveling when my oldest is in school. I will probably get flamed for that, but those were the dates that also worked for my family and so 2 weeks is as much as we can take this time as a compromise. Before anyone asks why the price difference is truly staggering and around 4x cheaper to go in term time which is significant as this is a very expensive trip for us all.

Again thank you to anyone that has read the thread, been kind and understands some of the complexities going on here. As someone else pointed out they are trying to fly in, his wife go to the London office for work and my brother see us for a quick lunch. I speak to him weekly and he calls my eldest child weekly. We don’t dislike each other. Him changing plans and what feels like trying to fit us in to their day as it’s most convenient for them has hurt my feelings. Of course I have travelled to see people that have moved abroad when they come back. But he doesn’t want to come to our hometown even in his own accommodation (again despite doing this multiple times a year and already agreeing the dates work) and so a quick meal at Heathrow it will be. I’m going to look in to the heath option nearby also and ask can he get a taxi to meet us there. It does feel like tons of bending on our part and I’m still being called names and told how rude and inflexible I am.

I think you are unreasonable to be miffed with your DB.

He sees everyone else regularly, and so only really wants to see you. But rather than being perfectly happy to meet him somewhere that you are planning to be anyway (Heathrow), you want him to have to hire a car and drive and 8 hour round trip to see you there instead, knowing that he hates driving and may be a nervous wreck by the time he sees you?

Bushmillsbabe · 19/05/2025 14:54

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:15

We won’t be at Heathrow until the day we are flying back out again. It’s been years since I’ve been at Heathrow but it’s always been really busy and is there anywhere to eat before you go through security? I’ve never really spent time in Heathrow other than checking in and going right to security. I thought the restaurants etc were all past security?
They travel all over to see his wife’s family each time they fly back and to see my family too so I don’t understand why seeing us is different, I’m hoping my brother may tell me what’s really going on.

Maybe meet somewhere near Heathrow rather than at the airport itself? Look up 'Hobbledown Heath', it's perfect for that age group and less than 10 mins drive from Heathrow

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 15:01

Lurker874 · 19/05/2025 14:45

I think you are unreasonable to be miffed with your DB.

He sees everyone else regularly, and so only really wants to see you. But rather than being perfectly happy to meet him somewhere that you are planning to be anyway (Heathrow), you want him to have to hire a car and drive and 8 hour round trip to see you there instead, knowing that he hates driving and may be a nervous wreck by the time he sees you?

They do that drive every other time they come back. So yes we don’t understand why it’s different this time. And so we are changing our plans to meet him because that’s easier for them.

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ACatNamedRobin · 19/05/2025 15:04

Feetinthegrass · 19/05/2025 12:20

Putting myself in sil’s and db’s shoes this actually sounds like the family vacation from hell.

They are not into children hence their choice not to have any, staying with someone else’s toddlers is really NOT fun for anyone, even those of us that actually like children. In op’s words her gps are very trying and cantankerous given their age and health issues.

Then you have op whom herself is no shrinking violet, and has plenty of shouty expectations. Jet lag. A poorly grandparent. It’s a recipe for disaster, and db is doing the right thing. I hope he doesn’t buckle.

In conclusion, I agree with db’s decision, it is wise and thoughtful, and it’s very likely the Heathrow plan will be more successful.

Absolutely this.

Lurker874 · 19/05/2025 15:07

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 15:01

They do that drive every other time they come back. So yes we don’t understand why it’s different this time. And so we are changing our plans to meet him because that’s easier for them.

Yes they do that drive every time, but as you've previously said it's actually SIL that does the driving, and she will be at work so it will be DB who would need to do all the driving.

Perhaps he'd rather see you when he's feeling calm and can enjoy the short time you have together, rather than seeing you when he's reeling from a stressful 4 hour drive and hugely distracted by the prospect of another one to come.

SimoneSpeaksSoftly · 19/05/2025 15:23

Lurker874 · 19/05/2025 15:07

Yes they do that drive every time, but as you've previously said it's actually SIL that does the driving, and she will be at work so it will be DB who would need to do all the driving.

Perhaps he'd rather see you when he's feeling calm and can enjoy the short time you have together, rather than seeing you when he's reeling from a stressful 4 hour drive and hugely distracted by the prospect of another one to come.

Yeah, it seems to me that DB has anxiety (about driving, being around kids, etc.) and this is the way to preserve his mental health.

That said, I understand why OP is upset. if I hadn't seen my family in 3 years and my sibling only wanted to meet for lunch on the way out the door (after previously agreeing to a different plan), I'd be hurt too.

Blessthismess2 · 19/05/2025 15:33

SimoneSpeaksSoftly · 19/05/2025 15:23

Yeah, it seems to me that DB has anxiety (about driving, being around kids, etc.) and this is the way to preserve his mental health.

That said, I understand why OP is upset. if I hadn't seen my family in 3 years and my sibling only wanted to meet for lunch on the way out the door (after previously agreeing to a different plan), I'd be hurt too.

But isnt he taking a two hour flight just to see her? Doesn’t that show how much her cares? To fly for the day just for lunch? I’ve never done that and would only do it for someone who really mattered to me.

Chachar · 19/05/2025 15:41

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 15:01

They do that drive every other time they come back. So yes we don’t understand why it’s different this time. And so we are changing our plans to meet him because that’s easier for them.

I think the fact they drive everytime actually means it's okay to not drive this time

Adding an extra 8 hours min, hire car costs etc for 1 or 2 days is a big extra when he is also flying over to see you

Its seems like db has a history of putting in a lot of effort in, which somehow is now being used against him

Chachar · 19/05/2025 15:42

Blessthismess2 · 19/05/2025 15:33

But isnt he taking a two hour flight just to see her? Doesn’t that show how much her cares? To fly for the day just for lunch? I’ve never done that and would only do it for someone who really mattered to me.

Edited

I wonder if alot of the posts accusing the brother of not making an effort haven't realised he is flying a few hours each way specifically to meet them

There's lots of talk about op having to go to him, but he's definitely making more than an effort!

Thegodfatherreturns · 19/05/2025 15:43

I would just meet him at Heathrow. There are lots of restaurants before security. If he would prefer to just meet you all for a meal rather than do loads of travelling I can't see the problem.

SuchiRolls · 19/05/2025 15:50

Unfortunately if he’s choosing not to travel further, there isn’t much you can do about it. If you’ve made it clear to him you can’t come to London and he won’t come to you, then you won’t be seeing him. If it were me I’d arrange to have a meal prior to flying as others have suggested, that way he can see you all in one spot and fly in and out. If this doesn’t suit you either then you won’t be seeing him I guess.

SimoneSpeaksSoftly · 19/05/2025 15:56

Chachar · 19/05/2025 15:41

I think the fact they drive everytime actually means it's okay to not drive this time

Adding an extra 8 hours min, hire car costs etc for 1 or 2 days is a big extra when he is also flying over to see you

Its seems like db has a history of putting in a lot of effort in, which somehow is now being used against him

Edited

Again, I think OP has every right to be upset. Doing the drive all the time for everyone else but not OP show where the priorities lie.. Which is totally DB's right. And it's nice he's flying in for lunch rather than not coming at all. But he probably should have been upfront to begin with. Personally, I would adjust my effort accordingly in the future.

Isabella777 · 19/05/2025 16:37

Towwanthustice · 19/05/2025 12:52

I always find adults with no children are never on the same page. He hasnt walked in your shoes so won't understand the complexities of it all.
I wouldn't do it. Your babies are gping to need as much rest as possible inbewtween travelling there and back.. and u will too.

Honestly as I read the original post again I think this is the most reasonable explanation. I actually like to spend time with my sister and her kids on our own, without our parents sometimes. Our mom tends to dominate conversations, plans, everything, that it's hard to properly catch up and have the cousins have quality time. Could it be OP that your brother just really wanted sometime with YOUR family rather than sharing you with everyone else. It sounds like you are just meeting for lunch at the airport but he initially suggested more than that? I totally get how the city with little kids is a lot, and being childless, he does not really appreciate that. At the same time, staying in London necessarily doesn't mean you have to do all the sights, you could choose a family friendly area and go to parks, etc.

Ddakji · 19/05/2025 16:48

That’s a good point @Isabella777 - maybe your brother just wants to hang with you and yours @JIMER202. Maybe he feels he wouldn’t get to do that with your parents and any other wider family there.

One thing I’m not sure of is why you can’t just ask him for his reasons. Is your relationship with him strained that you can’t?

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 16:51

Something to bear in mind if you are now meeting at Heathrow OP is which terminal he's flying into and you're flying out of. There's quite a distance between them – Tube ride in some cases – and not all of them have great restaurants. Is your DB at least willing to come through Arrivals to meet you?

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 17:09

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 16:51

Something to bear in mind if you are now meeting at Heathrow OP is which terminal he's flying into and you're flying out of. There's quite a distance between them – Tube ride in some cases – and not all of them have great restaurants. Is your DB at least willing to come through Arrivals to meet you?

So we are now looking at flights ( I’m having to help sort that too as I know when we will land etc) and I hadn’t even considered the terminal issue with Heathrow being so big! The issue I’m seeing now is there are basically 1 flight in or out a day from his country and so he would have to spend the night at Heathrow too. We were hoping to do the Hoddbledown idea but his flights don’t get in until 4pm and it closes at 5pm and the flights out the next day are at 7am!! Hoping we can still find a fix

OP posts:
ChristmasinQueensland · 19/05/2025 17:56

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 17:09

So we are now looking at flights ( I’m having to help sort that too as I know when we will land etc) and I hadn’t even considered the terminal issue with Heathrow being so big! The issue I’m seeing now is there are basically 1 flight in or out a day from his country and so he would have to spend the night at Heathrow too. We were hoping to do the Hoddbledown idea but his flights don’t get in until 4pm and it closes at 5pm and the flights out the next day are at 7am!! Hoping we can still find a fix

He's still avoiding the drive that way, though. If he booked a one night stay at your hotel, you could all eat together, then your husband takes the kids off to bed, and you and your brother have the rest of the evening for drinks and catching up. Say goodnight, up in the morning and off for your flight. Suggest it to him.

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