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To ask my brother to visit us from abroad and refuse to meet in London

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JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 04:15

I live in Australia and haven’t been home since 2022.

I’m planning a trip back to the UK next year and my children will be 6 and 2 by then. My youngest was born out here and so it will be his first time meeting most of my family (including my brother). My eldest was a toddler when we moved and so it will basically be his first time meeting anyone too.

My family live rurally and so my children and I will be flying Australia-London and then driving another 3-4 hours to my hometown. We have an 8hr drive to the Airport on the Aus side too, so it is a lot of travel and jet lag is going to be an issue also.

We are coming for 10 days which sounds bonkers as it’s such a long way to come, but my partner is able to come for 10 days or I fly alone with both children. My grandad has had strokes and it’s likely this will sadly be one of the last times we see him (hopefully not the last but I am bracing myself it may be).

As this trip is such a big deal and costing so much £££ already, we are actually going to be staying in a holiday cottage with my parents and grandparents, so they can really spend as much time with my children as possible and to limit the driving to see different people. Anyone that has lived away from your hometown and gone back to visit will know that everyone usually ends up saying oh come meet me here, come over to ours etc and we are trying to keep that to a minimum.

My brother also lives abroad (a 2hr flight away) and has no children. He flies back to the UK and then drives to our hometown 2-3 times a year. He will often drive all the way to our hometown and then all the way to see some of his wife’s family who are 2 hours away from there in a single weekend, which is of course a lot of travelling.

Here is my AIBU. We told my brother of the plan for the big family accommodation and that as we are paying he won’t have to pay anything, the place has enough space for him and his wife (a bedroom if they would like to stay) and he said to me why can’t I just fly to London and meet you there? Why can’t I just see you and the kids in central London? (He was suggesting meeting on a weekend before we fly back)

My husband has said it’s my family and up to me but he would prefer to not take them in to Central London on tubes etc at the ages they are and they are so young they aren’t interested in seeing Central London, they really just want to see the grandparents. I agree.

My brother has said he has no interest in coming to the holiday let. I sent him a message to let him know that as we are paying for the holiday let to minimize extra travel as my children would already have done so much and likely be jet lagged and due to their ages we won’t be doing central London. He has now asked if we can meet at Heathrow, but I can’t think of what we would do there? He made it clear he does want to see us and our children but ‘I don’t want to travel all the way back home again.’ I think he’s being rigid and I can’t understand why he’s willing to do it at other times and to see his wife’s family which is way more traveling then we are asking him to do. I mentioned he doesn’t have children as I don’t think he’s quite grasping that taking my children for several hours on the train to central London for basically a lunch is far from appealing. We get on well so I don’t understand why it feels like he’s holding this boundary with us over London or nothing when they travel to our hometown at other times?! It’s like they have agreed to stop doing it all the time but I don’t understand why they can’t make an exception for us. They are doing their same trip home twice before we even fly there next year!

OP posts:
brunettemic · 19/05/2025 09:36

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:07

My children are already traveling a really long way. Why should they travel even further instead of an adult coming to them when they already do that journey multiple times a year. My brother also lives abroad so we have both emigrated.

You decided to move abroad, that doesn’t mean everyone else has to fit around you.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 09:38

tiramisunow · 19/05/2025 09:34

I've read all the posts thoroughly and that's my genuine takeaway tbh. All I see is OP repeatedly insisting they're fine, perfect, happy, easy lives, easy work arrangements, etc. Zero curiosity and the immediate jump to just lazy and selfish. Again if that is the reason, fair enough, and as I said it doesn't have to be a big tragic reason at all, it could be a small stupid reason... But as someone who has to deal with a lot of family meetups across the globe, I cannot identify with such a self-obsessed line of thinking.

OP booked and paid for a holiday let to which her brother and his wife were invited. With a years’ notice. Now brother is expecting her to change her plans because he doesn’t want to drive to the holiday let - basically just wants to fly in, see OP and fly out again.

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Circular00Route · 19/05/2025 09:40

Why cannot you & your brother meet up alone for a half day ?

Leave the children with your other family members for a few hours

BernardButlersBra · 19/05/2025 09:43

I was going to say l need more information: was the date discussed with your family including your brother or did you just say you were visiting from x date to y date? How many times has he gone to Australia to visit you? But I see you have clarified those points.

So far l can see it from both sides. You are doing a lot of travelling in a relatively short space of time. He has been given a years notice which is a fair amount surely? I haven’t lived near my family and friends for a long time so l now say l will be at place x from a time to b time and it would be great to see you! I got sick of tweaking my plans for other people’s minor reasons for not wanting to travel 1.5 miles from their house! He might be sick of travelling to your home town yet again but he hasn’t gone to see you in Australia either (for clarity l wouldn’t expect a visit every year or even every other year but even in 4 years with your operation and having a baby he hasn’t )

Butterbly · 19/05/2025 09:45

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 09:34

She posted for advice. Someone suggested something that made her think about it from a different angle and she changed her mind. Isn’t that the definition of taking the advice offered ?

Edited

Absolutely. I was replying when she was like "obviously I'm driving" when literally a handful of posts before she wasn't happy withthat plan. Its a fast moving thread (at that point), the conversation and posts i was replying to wasnt immediately caught up.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 19/05/2025 09:45

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:52

Thank you this is helpful! We will have to cut a day off our paid for holiday let and time to see other friends/family and pay for a Heathrow hotel as our flight leaving London is 11.30 in the morning so I’m going to let him know all that and see if he changes his mind or not. If not then it’s helpful to know the options thank you!

I may have misunderstood, but given that you say you will be staying rurally, 3 to 4 hours away from London, and that your flight departs at 11.30am, you will surely be hard pushed to make it to Heathrow by 8.30am (because security) anyway and it would be much better for all of your family for you to travel to Heathrow the day before and meet your brother at a Heathrow hotel the evening before your flight?

SpinandSing · 19/05/2025 09:49

You're trying to compromise too much and will end up regretting it. This is on him - he's trying to make you fit with what he wants to do. You've done enough in being clear on your plans, well in advance, and renting holiday accommodation with room for all. I think you just need to say 'This is what we're doing' and then 'That's such a shame we won't see you' if he won't join in with your plans. Honestly, running around Heathrow and hotels when you've got a massive flight ahead of you, and young children, you'll really regret it. Look how stressed you are about it already...and it's in a year's time. Don't let this ruin your carefully and thoughtfully laid plans.

chunkyblighter · 19/05/2025 09:49

I don't know...it feels like there's something he's not telling you and as it's a year away lots of time for things to change. I would have thought Oxford was a fair compromise: there's things to do there, it's easy to get to from London on the bus etc. As for driving in the UK it's the same side of the road as Oz but I presume your DB has got used to driving on the right if he lives in Europe.

Another idea is one night's hotel or Air BnB in the SE before you travel, somewhere nicer than Heathrow. You can still be within easy travelling distance of LHR for your morning flight but a more suitable place for a meet up. However, if he's not prepared to stay one night and wants to fly in & out in one day it's making logistics tricky. He could flex a little given the circumstances!

AndorTheRelentless · 19/05/2025 09:52

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 06:07

Thank you! And our plan was to check out of the holiday let and then drive up to Heathrow, drop off hire car etc and get to the hotel around 7pm which is then dinner and bed for my children. The hotel isn’t at Heathrow but close by. So would mean meeting for a late dinner with all our bags and things if we did it the night before. The morning of won’t work as it would be too early and my brother is trying to fly in and back out again.

Can you meet where the hotel is?
maybe leave a little earlier?

Kipperandarthur · 19/05/2025 09:53

It's obvious that you are upset and disappointed with your brother's offer of meeting up at Heathrow instead of coming to the holiday let and I can understand that.

However, would it not just be easier to actually pick the phone up and talk to your brother in person rather than via text?

But he has said he just doesn't want to spend time all as a family in the holiday let and sadly if that is the case you have to accept his decision.

The other thing that strikes me is this is planning way in advance which you need to do yes, but maybe nearer the time brother may change his mind and plans could possibly change whereby he decides to come to holiday let after all.
It may be prudent to try and loosen up a bit and go with the flow and see what transpires nearer the time.

JHound · 19/05/2025 09:54

You just may have to accept missing each other. I lived overseas and when I visited the UK would try and merge visits into convenient locations.

Swiftie1878 · 19/05/2025 09:57

JIMER202 · 19/05/2025 05:15

We won’t be at Heathrow until the day we are flying back out again. It’s been years since I’ve been at Heathrow but it’s always been really busy and is there anywhere to eat before you go through security? I’ve never really spent time in Heathrow other than checking in and going right to security. I thought the restaurants etc were all past security?
They travel all over to see his wife’s family each time they fly back and to see my family too so I don’t understand why seeing us is different, I’m hoping my brother may tell me what’s really going on.

Yes there are lots of restaurants at Heathrow. This is your solution. Just meet before you fly home for breakfast, lunch or dinner - whatever fits.
You can check in your bags, then before you go through security etc just meet for a meal. There’s a Wagamama there which I’m sure the kids will enjoy, and it’s better than airline food! x

SuperTrooper14 · 19/05/2025 10:03

MatildaMovesMountains · 19/05/2025 09:17

What does "piling on" even mean? Disagreeing with OP?

There's disagreeing and then there's being deliberately obtuse when OP's already answered the same point dozens of times. It's like playground bullying – let's keep picking away until they crack. That's what a pile on is.

Reliablesource · 19/05/2025 10:04

OP, you say it is a 4 hour drive to your hometown from Heathrow. But how long is the train journey to Central London? Or could you park on the outskirts of London somewhere and get the tube in?

If you’re staying in a holiday home with extended family for 10 days, it’s very likely that you will all get cabin fever and a break half-way through to go into London might be a welcome one! Depending on where you’d be arriving into, there are various parks you could meet at for a few hours, lunch and ice creams. Or somewhere like London Zoo, which your children would surely enjoy?

Personally, I wouldn’t want to schedule a meeting with anyone at Heathrow. It’s extremely busy and noisy and hardly conducive to a quiet family catch-up.

1stjjohnnymac · 19/05/2025 10:08

I'm bewildered and disappointed by the 22% (at present) 😥
It says a lot about our society 😥

AlwaysFreezing · 19/05/2025 10:08

I think this is a bit of red carpet syndrome. We have a few relatives who live abroad and whenever they come back we joke that we will have to get the red carpet ready for them. Because they're like visiting dignitaries.

The reality for the family you left behind can mean that they're not too bothered about complying with convoluted plans.

Your brother obviously does want to see you, he's flying in for you. But what he doesn't seem to want to do is then travel even further and stay in the cottage. Which is his perogative. To see him you're going to have to do something different to that which you have so carefully planned.

Getting annoyed about it won't help. Trying to make it work is where the effort needs to go.

user1492757084 · 19/05/2025 10:09

Leave the arrangements with him and hope he sees sense.
It would be charitable for them to meet you closer to where you are staying. Your brother is being a dick.

Digdongdoo · 19/05/2025 10:09

OP when you emigrate, the onus is on you to see the people you want to see. You can't hold anyone else to account for your long journey. Your brother isn't unreasonable to not want to make the journey either. It's nice that your parents and grandparents are willing and able to spend that amount of time with you, but presumably they're retired and your DB is not. Realistically, neither of you have visited each other for year, you're just not that close any more.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:14

Digdongdoo · 19/05/2025 10:09

OP when you emigrate, the onus is on you to see the people you want to see. You can't hold anyone else to account for your long journey. Your brother isn't unreasonable to not want to make the journey either. It's nice that your parents and grandparents are willing and able to spend that amount of time with you, but presumably they're retired and your DB is not. Realistically, neither of you have visited each other for year, you're just not that close any more.

They’re still family, and OP has made the effort. She booked and paid for a holiday let for them all to be together - that’s not holding anyone else to account. DB had a years’ notice and has now decided he doesn’t want to stay with the rest of the family. That’s on him, but he’s now expecting OP to change her plans and drive to Heathrow a day early to accommodate him because basically he just wants to fly in to the UK, see her, and fly out again. And OP says both her parents work.

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:15

AlwaysFreezing · 19/05/2025 10:08

I think this is a bit of red carpet syndrome. We have a few relatives who live abroad and whenever they come back we joke that we will have to get the red carpet ready for them. Because they're like visiting dignitaries.

The reality for the family you left behind can mean that they're not too bothered about complying with convoluted plans.

Your brother obviously does want to see you, he's flying in for you. But what he doesn't seem to want to do is then travel even further and stay in the cottage. Which is his perogative. To see him you're going to have to do something different to that which you have so carefully planned.

Getting annoyed about it won't help. Trying to make it work is where the effort needs to go.

OP put herself out to comply with the dates that were convenient for everyone, booked and paid for a holiday let so they could all be together and gave them a year’s notice. How is that convoluted ? She’s clearly put a lot of thought into the plans Now DB has decided he just wants to fly in to see OP at the airport and then fly out again. And OP’s the unreasonable one ?

During the course of the thread she’s variously been called, selfish, uncaring, accused of not loving her family and been blamed for emigrating in the first place !! One poster even tried to paint her DH as a controlling arsehole because she was only staying here for ten days. I don’t know how many MN posters actually cope with real life and the random things it throws up if this is anything to go by.

Digdongdoo · 19/05/2025 10:18

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:14

They’re still family, and OP has made the effort. She booked and paid for a holiday let for them all to be together - that’s not holding anyone else to account. DB had a years’ notice and has now decided he doesn’t want to stay with the rest of the family. That’s on him, but he’s now expecting OP to change her plans and drive to Heathrow a day early to accommodate him because basically he just wants to fly in to the UK, see her, and fly out again. And OP says both her parents work.

No sorry. Emigration isn't an excuse to say jump and demand everyone else say "how high?". He's flying in, he doesn't want to travel further. Which is perfectly reasonable. OP doesn't have to travel back to London early if she doesn't want to either.
It's just life when family is spread out. Having everyone in one place at one time isn't realistic.

TooGoodToGoto · 19/05/2025 10:21

Rosscameasdoody · 19/05/2025 10:15

OP put herself out to comply with the dates that were convenient for everyone, booked and paid for a holiday let so they could all be together and gave them a year’s notice. How is that convoluted ? She’s clearly put a lot of thought into the plans Now DB has decided he just wants to fly in to see OP at the airport and then fly out again. And OP’s the unreasonable one ?

During the course of the thread she’s variously been called, selfish, uncaring, accused of not loving her family and been blamed for emigrating in the first place !! One poster even tried to paint her DH as a controlling arsehole because she was only staying here for ten days. I don’t know how many MN posters actually cope with real life and the random things it throws up if this is anything to go by.

Edited

No she didn’t she planned it round her eldest child’s school holidays.

BlazenWeights · 19/05/2025 10:22

CleanShirt · 19/05/2025 05:31

Why do you keep repeating that he doesn't have children?

Because travelling with kids is more inconveniencing than travelling without. It’s common sense really. You don’t need to have kids to understand that one. Do you have kids yourself?

chibuahua · 19/05/2025 10:23

AndorTheRelentless · 19/05/2025 09:52

Can you meet where the hotel is?
maybe leave a little earlier?

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