To be scared people aren't taking far-right extremists seriously?

[AnxiousApocalypse]

There is so much anti-immigrant sentiment in the UK and the West in general. There are a lot of people that believe if you are a person of colour that has grown up in the UK but have immigrant parents, then you are not British enough- even if you have spent your whole life here and integrated into British society. On Wednesday, three far-right extremists were convicted in Sheffield Crown Court of planning a terrorist attack but there was hardly any coverage. At my workplace, people talk about immigrants coming over on scam care worker visas schemes, bringing their dependants and taking up resources such as school places and NHS appointments when those are already lacking for those born in Britain. I thought that scrapping overseas recruitment for care workers and heightening the qualifications threshold for skilled worker visas by the government was quite severe, but comments on the Daily Mail and Telegraph articles show that this isn't enough for most people. What about all the universities having to make cuts due to losing significant income from the new restrictions on international student visas? Will most people not be happy until the UK has no non-white people at all?

Ok this post @AnxiousApocalypse is packed with assumptions here and , as someone "of colour" (!) that is British born but who is concerned about rising immigration, let me try and help:

There is so much anti-immigrant sentiment in the UK and the West in general.

There has been a lot more migration from certain countries, many of them not necessarily officially in conflict or in war, but which seek the UK as an attractive destination due to language and existing family members.

So this has led to concerns.

There are a lot of people that believe if you are a person of colour that has grown up in the UK but have immigrant parents, then you are not British enough- even if you have spent your whole life here and integrated into British society.

Am in my 40s, female, grew up in the worse times than this, and I would challenge the "there are a lot of". I think there are a lot more outlets now such a social media that give coverage to these voices, but in my professional and personal life, no one is questioning me!

At my workplace, people talk about immigrants coming over on scam care worker visas schemes, bringing their dependants and taking up resources such as school places and NHS appointments when those are already lacking for those born in Britain.

But I don't think scam visas are ok?

Will most people not be happy until the UK has no non-white people at all?

This is seriously extreme, sorry OP, and deliberately provocative. NO, I don't think this is the case at all. You'll find "non white" people like me are also concerned about mass arrivals of young men, from particular communities and countries, time and time again arriving without families or any context, and slipping away into society without any identification, any screening, any support for integration. Where I live, this concerns people. Not their colour, but the culture issues.

What @JacquesHarlow said ^ And I particularly agree with the last paragraph.

Really OTT thread @AnxiousApocalypse YABVU.

It's been known for some time that far right extremism is growing. We had two anti immigrant protests this weekend, one in Bristol and one in Birmingham. Both cities are very racially diverse.

The protesters had remigration flags which is a far right term for deporting all people of colour.

Many European countries have a far right presence, and some have been voted into the European parliament. Some have asked for extensive remigration programmes.

There's a lot of talk on social media about a coming race war and people seem obsessed with 'immigrants'.

There's a lot of misinformation online fuelling division and hatred.

Perhaps if the people running the country took action the protests would not be necessary. Just a thought.

Ignoring real issues, conflating them with being far right or racist, simply feeds the Far Right.

Address the actual issues without gasping about the wrongthink of the people raising them, and no one will be driven to the far right.

Ordinary people are not attracted to far right policies.
Ordinary people are attracted to the party that recognises their concerns and plans steps to redress problems.

We are desperately short of housing and medical services. Desperately short- life shortening.
People using study visas inappropriately, or bringing in extended family while not earning enough to support them- we cannot afford it at the moment. We can only welcome people who pay their way.

No where else welcomes immigrants who can’t pay their keep. Australia, New Zealand, USA- you can’t just rock up there. It’s ok to say people can’t just rock up here, too.

Most of us aren’t net contributors, tax wise. We can’t welcome more people who won’t be met contributors.

Nailed it, the only thing I would add..... 99% of people that are worried about 'far right' have no idea what far right actually is.
Reform aren't even middle right. Ask your grandfathers.

I have gone to the acceptance stage. People don’t “take them seriously” because they agree with far right politics. And I cannot do anything about that so have chosen to accept what will be will be.

Will most people not be happy until the UK has no non-white people at all?

I am not sure “most” but definitely I believe this is how a significant portion think / feel. Especially given how so many seem to confuse non-white and immigrant and the sheer vitriol from so many at having to see non-white people…anywhere.

The “remigration” rhetoric is one I see everywhere and it is absolutely not restricted to illegal immigrants or even immigrants.

Yes, it's all people of colour. They want an ethnostate.

Nobody “just rocks up here”.
Either they need required papers or they claim asylum.

Same with Australia and NZ. (And to be pedantic Oz does accept immigrants who cannot pay their way….the defacto partners of the main visa applicant.)

The amount of times I have either been involved in or witnessed a conversation with people on the topic of immigration and illegal immigration where it rapidly became apparent that in the minds of many immigrants and non-whites are synonyms.

There's a lot of talk about being 'indigenous' or white. It's all far right ideology. The other day someone posted a far right meme about invasion and eugenics - on a parenting forum. That's how ubiquitous it's getting.

Agree with this. You can’t just keep on letting in more people & putting them up in hotels without people getting fed up. I think people who have come here legally are getting annoyed too as they had to pay lots for visas and NHS access & most are working. I don’t think anyone is representing the traditional working class politically. Years ago they would have managed to get a school place, GP appointment & a council house. Now they see people arriving & taking what they see as theirs. I’m not affected where I live & I work with lots of migrant children (who are lovely). But I can see why people in areas which have hotels full are getting pissed off. They feel like they aren’t being listened to. So they have resorted to protesting.

“Will most people not be happy until the UK has no non-white people at all?”

Being concerned about immigration isn’t about not liking non white people. I live in a mainly South Asian area , people generally get on well. The biggest challenge we have is anti social behaviour from white east European economic immigrants.

It’s more complicated than you think! It’s not just white people who struggle with recent high immigration.

And a lot of people seem to think colonialism and legal migration as one and the same. I has an dispute with a guy who insists on referring to white Britons as “First Brits / Indigenuous” when I asked why he said “that’s what they do in Canada and Australia”. I asked if genuinely believed somebody making an application to move to a country under the requisite visa was the same as European conquest and colonialism of the two nations he mentioned. He insisted it was.

I know a number of non-white people (specifically black) who are so worried by the rhetoric in Europe that they are investigating other countries to move their families to where they won’t be a racial minority.

Why wouldn't people prefer to emigrate to a country where they have family and speak the language?

Britain shouldn't have talked sh*t about being a mother country to a quarter of the world. Hearts and minds has longterm effects.

Now these islands are genuine points on people's networks. Why is it wrong if they come from a sense of affiliation.

The traditional working class? Like the Windrush generation? Or does traditional mean white?

Migrants would be the working class if allowed to earn their keep. They don't choose to be put up in state accommodation and prevented from working towards a life of their choosing.

I would be very concerned as well given the rhetoric online. There's absolutely no balance at all, and there are a lot of lies being implicitly believed.

The Telegraph and Daily Mail seem determined to start more riots with constant misinformation.

The whole indigenous/First Nation stuff is just far right ideology seeping into the nation's consciousness.

Who is 'they'??
I have absolutely never heard anyone outside North Korea suggest this.

Most people that are opposed to the current migration policy are not in the least concerned with the colour of the migrants skin, the vast majority of current migrants happen to be white. Please do not make this a ‘race’ issue.

As explained, the far right protestors this weekend. One faction was Britain First.

First image, a massive remigration flag with people shouting " get these scum off our streets".

Some of my associates are already talking about voting Reform and as much as I’ve talked about why it’s a terrible idea and pushed back against it, they are determined. I do think there is a right wing swing coming and I think it will be across Europe. God knows what it will look like, all I see is more war ahead.

If mainstream politicians had even acknowledged a fraction of the problems caused by the policy of unfettered mass immigration, not to mention the disquiet caused by boatloads of young men coming here illegally, people wouldn't feel so frustrated and angry.

You're not unreasonable OP.

Those of you who are framing this as 'it's just people upset about the government not dealing with pressure on our public services and finances caused by high levels of immigration' have obviously not noticed the constant and pervasive dehumanisation of migrants on social media, and the hatred, resentment and intense fear being generated towards asylum seekers and immigrants generally.

It'll end with people being killed or brutalised - when you have migrants being generalised as 'invaders' who are here to rape our children, destroy our culture, and ruin our cities.

If you can't see the racism and the danger in this sort of rhetoric, I don't think anyone here can persuade you to change your mind. You've also been radicalised. Or you've deliberately shut your eyes because it makes you uncomfortable.

Asylum seekers made up 6% of the immigration total last year, and as primarily young people wanting to work, don't have to be seen as a massive problem, as long as they can be processed quickly and deported if their asylum claims fail.