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To be scared people aren't taking far-right extremists seriously?

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AnxiousApocalypse · 18/05/2025 20:43

There is so much anti-immigrant sentiment in the UK and the West in general. There are a lot of people that believe if you are a person of colour that has grown up in the UK but have immigrant parents, then you are not British enough- even if you have spent your whole life here and integrated into British society. On Wednesday, three far-right extremists were convicted in Sheffield Crown Court of planning a terrorist attack but there was hardly any coverage. At my workplace, people talk about immigrants coming over on scam care worker visas schemes, bringing their dependants and taking up resources such as school places and NHS appointments when those are already lacking for those born in Britain. I thought that scrapping overseas recruitment for care workers and heightening the qualifications threshold for skilled worker visas by the government was quite severe, but comments on the Daily Mail and Telegraph articles show that this isn't enough for most people. What about all the universities having to make cuts due to losing significant income from the new restrictions on international student visas? Will most people not be happy until the UK has no non-white people at all?

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Sabire9 · 18/05/2025 22:49

@TempestTost

"That dismissal, for years, is the behaviour that has led to the place we are now".

Wrong - what's led us to where we are now is the rise of the neoliberal
right in the US and in Europe, who have NOTHING to wind working class people over to their side, except pandering to their racism by blaming immigrants for all the problems caused by late stage capitalism, and by engaging in perpetual culture wars around race.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/05/2025 22:52

Sabire9 · 18/05/2025 22:46

@Potsofpetals
"I have no issue with the Conservative Party, Reform, Katie Bloody Hopkins or any other person who is trying to protect the rights of uk citizens."

Is that you Suella? 🙄

Love that you frame someone like Katie Hopkins, an out and out fascist who's called for child asylum seekers to be left to drown in the channel, as 'trying to protect the rights of UK citizens'. H

"No, I don’t care. Show me pictures of coffins, show me bodies floating in the water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad.

I don't care."

Rescue boats? I’d use gunships to stop migrants.

She also called them cockroaches. Katie Hopkins, thank God we've got her defending our shores.

converseandjeans · 18/05/2025 22:52

Masmavi · 18/05/2025 22:28

They’re not getting those basic services or needs met not because of immigrants but because of years and years of underfunding.

Yes I’m sure there has been underfunding. But you can’t expect people in areas where there is already some poverty sit back & not complain when they can’t afford much. They see groups of men put up in what used to be quite decent hotels & if they try to question it they are shut down, threatened with court action if they speak out. So because they have been kept in the dark & threatened about speaking out they feel like the only way is to protest.

Personally I don’t agree with them & I find it worrying. But I live in an area with not much immigration & so am not affected. I don’t need a council house & I can get GP appointments. If governments keep forcing certain areas to accept large numbers then they will get protests. We seem to be getting more protests now they are housing immigrants in more affluent areas.

TempestTost · 18/05/2025 22:53

Sabire9 · 18/05/2025 22:39

@TempestTost

"He is really concerned about the effects of too liberal an immigration policy."

Is that concern about pressure on public services and housing after 15 years of biting government austerity, or what?

If it's about cultural change and crime, what makes that different to the massive objections raised by white Brits in response to waves of immigration from the West Indies in the 1950's?

Why should it be a problem if people worry about crime, whatever the decade?

In the end it really doesn't matter if austerity is the real cause of problems in the NHS or not. It doesn't make it ok to put a lot more pressure on those things and ignore the population that is already here. And it's not really good for new immigrants either.

Could austerity have been avoided? I don't know that it's clear that it could have been.The 1970s ended with the UK requiring a loan from the World Bank, and they exact a price for those kinds of loans in the form of demanding certain kinds of spending cuts. Blair managed to fudge some new spending, but by the end of his time they were looking at cuts again. This pattern isn't confined to the UK, it's similar in many western economies, and is at least in part the effect of globalism.

None of that makes it sensible to admit more people than can be housed or educated however.

BundleBoogie · 18/05/2025 22:54

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/05/2025 21:34

There's a lot of talk about being 'indigenous' or white. It's all far right ideology. The other day someone posted a far right meme about invasion and eugenics - on a parenting forum. That's how ubiquitous it's getting.

Are you claiming therefore that white British people either don’t exist or our existence is somehow ‘far right’? If there are no people regarded as indigenous (the exact definition of this is a whole other conversation) British then what are we?

Do you have the same issue with people who are proud to be black Africans? Or Nigerians that have a national identity that requires a Nigerian to be black and have originated from Nigeria?

I think it is fine when people describe themselves as British Asians or similar as that signals an adoption of what it generally regarded to be British but acknowledges their actual heritage. What words like your do is erase the concept of British heritage. You wouldn’t do that do any other nationality, why us?

I wouldn’t move to India and expect all Indians to refer to me as Indian and pretend that India heritage and culture has now expanded to include me.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/05/2025 22:55

BundleBoogie · 18/05/2025 22:54

Are you claiming therefore that white British people either don’t exist or our existence is somehow ‘far right’? If there are no people regarded as indigenous (the exact definition of this is a whole other conversation) British then what are we?

Do you have the same issue with people who are proud to be black Africans? Or Nigerians that have a national identity that requires a Nigerian to be black and have originated from Nigeria?

I think it is fine when people describe themselves as British Asians or similar as that signals an adoption of what it generally regarded to be British but acknowledges their actual heritage. What words like your do is erase the concept of British heritage. You wouldn’t do that do any other nationality, why us?

I wouldn’t move to India and expect all Indians to refer to me as Indian and pretend that India heritage and culture has now expanded to include me.

Why is being 'indigenous' so important to you?

Dangermoo · 18/05/2025 23:04

Ooral · 18/05/2025 21:23

Nailed it, the only thing I would add..... 99% of people that are worried about 'far right' have no idea what far right actually is.
Reform aren't even middle right. Ask your grandfathers.

👏 👏

Dangermoo · 18/05/2025 23:06

Get a grip with the dramatics.

Sabire9 · 18/05/2025 23:10

@converseandjeans

"Yes I’m sure there has been underfunding. But you can’t expect people in areas where there is already some poverty sit back & not complain when they can’t afford much."

Of course they should bloody complain. But if we've got housing shortages everywhere, including in areas with very very low levels of migration, and if that's also down to 1 in 10 people in the UK now owning more than 1 house, as well as the selling off of vast amounts of social home stock, then why are immigrants the primary target of people's hatred and resentment on this issue?

"They see groups of men put up in what used to be quite decent hotels & if they try to question it they are shut down, threatened with court action if they speak out.So because they have been kept in the dark & threatened about speaking out they feel like the only way is to protest."

There are two large migrant hostels within a 10 minute walk of my house. There are NO protests against them around here, despite housing being generally expensive because it's London. Why no bitching and whining about asylum seekers on local social media groups? Because people round here grow up in mixed communities. It's a predominantly non-white community. Lots of West Indian and African families. Schools are ethnically diverse. People don't hate and fear immigrants. They're not ignorant. They know something about asylum seekers - the shit they go through, the economic devastation that many of them are escaping. Of course we see that the international situation with economic migration at current levels is a problem - not just in the UK, BUT WE DON'T HATE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE PRIMARY VICTIMS OF IT - namely the migrants themselves, who are living lives that none of us would want to be living.

You can say 'the immigration system is not functioning well'. You can acknowledge the pressures that immigration puts on public services and housing. But you don't have to hate and dehumanise immigrants - and that's what the OP is about. People keep insisting 'it's not wrong to say you think immigration levels are too high'. But that's not what's being argued about here. What's been pointed out is the racism and hatred towards immigrants. It's not just about numbers. It's about immigrants being framed as a moral danger to our country - the constant portrayal of them as criminal and thieves, of people who are out to destroy our culture. It's in all our faces, and I don't know why you can't see it.

Agrumpyknitter · 18/05/2025 23:12

Immigrants will be blamed for this country’s ills nothing to do with capitalism and how the wealthy would rather we fight amongst ourselves than look up at the rich owners of the Telegraph and Daily Mail to contribute more fairly.

Vote Reform at your peril, there won’t be any NHS left by the end of their term so get ready to set up your go funds me’s for your children and your own healthcare. You only have to look at the US for what they’re doing to help the rich get richer. Reform will also get rid of DEI which women are the main beneficiaries of, equal pay anyone? Reducing the gender pay gap? I think Labour are doing a good job tackling illegal immigration and you only have to look at the Telegraph and the Daily Mail to see how much they are threatened by Labour’s policies.

Ladamesansmerci · 18/05/2025 23:12

OP, this thread will get railroaded, but yes, it's highly concerning. There is a massive right wing shift going on across Europe, and it's downright terrifying.

Sabire9 · 18/05/2025 23:13

@converseandjeans

"if they try to question it they are shut down, threatened with court action if they speak out"

What are you referring to. here?

Who is being 'threatened with court action' for complaining about asylum seekers living in hotels?

Social media and mainstream media are chock full of people who are absolutely furious about this. It's obviously not illegal to complain about it, so what are you referring to?

Dangermoo · 18/05/2025 23:13

Agrumpyknitter · 18/05/2025 23:12

Immigrants will be blamed for this country’s ills nothing to do with capitalism and how the wealthy would rather we fight amongst ourselves than look up at the rich owners of the Telegraph and Daily Mail to contribute more fairly.

Vote Reform at your peril, there won’t be any NHS left by the end of their term so get ready to set up your go funds me’s for your children and your own healthcare. You only have to look at the US for what they’re doing to help the rich get richer. Reform will also get rid of DEI which women are the main beneficiaries of, equal pay anyone? Reducing the gender pay gap? I think Labour are doing a good job tackling illegal immigration and you only have to look at the Telegraph and the Daily Mail to see how much they are threatened by Labour’s policies.

I don't think it's Reform who are terrified!

Xis · 18/05/2025 23:13

You can tell how ignorant much of the British public is on immigration matters when you hear the misinformation they spout as fact. What’s a scam visa @JacquesHarlow? No posters have even challenged that assertion, giving rise to the belief that a ‘scam visa’ is actually a thing.

For more than a year now, immigrants can’t bring dependents to the U.K. unless they earn at least £29,000. Care workers and most students can’t bring family members to the U.K. at all.

Only PhD and research-based higher degree students on courses longer than 9 months and government-sponsored students on courses longer than six months can bring family members to the U.K. So these are highly skilled people or those who are being paid for by their countries so they aren’t a financial burden on the U.K.

An unintended consequence seems to be that since Nigerian women can’t have their children join them, they stay home and the menfolk, who don’t have a tradition of caring, come instead. Needs must, because the economic situation in the country is very bad. And then elderly women in care homes have to put up with personal care being provided by men. I feel for them because I wouldn’t want that for myself.

I have to laugh at the British general public not being smart enough to realise that when you make the country an unattractive proposition for white eastern Europeans by voting for Brexit, the end result will be more brown and black immigrants. The hard-work, low-status, low-paid jobs that struggle to attract sufficient British applicants still need to be done and many eastern Europeans, feeling unwelcome, went elsewhere or returned home. This is likely to be an issue for those who complain about immigrants not assimilating.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/05/2025 23:15

Dangermoo · 18/05/2025 23:13

I don't think it's Reform who are terrified!

They seem terrified of the truth and keep pedaling lies.

BundleBoogie · 18/05/2025 23:18

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/05/2025 22:19

@Sabire9

It'll end with people being killed or brutalised

This is already happening. I've seen several reports of brown people being chased and beaten by gangs.

There's common rhetoric of asylum seekers being paedophiles. If they didn't have constant security, I don't know what would happen to them by vigilantes.

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Can you link to these reports and clarify that ethnicity these ‘gangs’ are as in some big cities there is much racial tension between different non white ethnic groups, as opposed to it only being white British attacking brown people.

I haven’t heard anyone say that asylum seekers are all paedophiles. You may be confused with people talking about the Asian grooming gangs rife across the country raping white girls for years with limited consequences. It appears to be still ongoing and oddly the government refuse to deal with it properly. That is not helping the overall situation.

Duchessofcakes · 18/05/2025 23:18

JHound · 18/05/2025 21:24

I have gone to the acceptance stage. People don’t “take them seriously” because they agree with far right politics. And I cannot do anything about that so have chosen to accept what will be will be.

Will most people not be happy until the UK has no non-white people at all?

I am not sure “most” but definitely I believe this is how a significant portion think / feel. Especially given how so many seem to confuse non-white and immigrant and the sheer vitriol from so many at having to see non-white people…anywhere.

Edited

Completely agree. Off topic slightly but I was watching a true crime video on YouTube. The killer happened to be a black British man. He went for his flatmate and his flatmate girlfriend and stabbed them basically.

This woman wrote in the comments “I avoid THEM in public spaces but the idea of sharing a house with one is beyond me” another commenter challenged her to elaborate on who is “them” and she said “you know fine well who I mean but I can’t say it or YouTuber will delete it!” And then some people posted similar messages under hers agreeing with her and trolling the person who challenged her.

Yeah you always get crazy commenters here and there but what shocked me is how so many people upvoted her comment. It was one of the most rated comments on that video! I decided to unsubscribe from that YouTube channel if that’s the kind of crowd it attracts. I know the usual YouTubers I listen would’ve either said something to the woman or deleted a comment like that.

It was chilling to think so many people think like that though. Racist hateful Women like that could work in recruitment, health care, education for all we know - think how many lives would be adversely impacted if they had dealings with her.

Dangermoo · 18/05/2025 23:19

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/05/2025 23:15

They seem terrified of the truth and keep pedaling lies.

Reform don't need to be terrified; they are making inroads and putting it up Labour and Conservatives.

nomas · 18/05/2025 23:23

JacquesHarlow · 18/05/2025 20:51

Ok this post @AnxiousApocalypse is packed with assumptions here and , as someone "of colour" (!) that is British born but who is concerned about rising immigration, let me try and help:

There is so much anti-immigrant sentiment in the UK and the West in general.

There has been a lot more migration from certain countries, many of them not necessarily officially in conflict or in war, but which seek the UK as an attractive destination due to language and existing family members.

So this has led to concerns.

There are a lot of people that believe if you are a person of colour that has grown up in the UK but have immigrant parents, then you are not British enough- even if you have spent your whole life here and integrated into British society.

Am in my 40s, female, grew up in the worse times than this, and I would challenge the "there are a lot of". I think there are a lot more outlets now such a social media that give coverage to these voices, but in my professional and personal life, no one is questioning me!

At my workplace, people talk about immigrants coming over on scam care worker visas schemes, bringing their dependants and taking up resources such as school places and NHS appointments when those are already lacking for those born in Britain.

But I don't think scam visas are ok?

Will most people not be happy until the UK has no non-white people at all?

This is seriously extreme, sorry OP, and deliberately provocative. NO, I don't think this is the case at all. You'll find "non white" people like me are also concerned about mass arrivals of young men, from particular communities and countries, time and time again arriving without families or any context, and slipping away into society without any identification, any screening, any support for integration. Where I live, this concerns people. Not their colour, but the culture issues.

You are not the first and won’t be the last immigrant with the ‘pull up the drawbridge’ mentality who blames Muslims for everything, a la Pratti Patel and Cruella Braverman.

You do not speak for all immigrants so don’t even try it.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/05/2025 23:33

BundleBoogie · 18/05/2025 23:18

Can you link to these reports and clarify that ethnicity these ‘gangs’ are as in some big cities there is much racial tension between different non white ethnic groups, as opposed to it only being white British attacking brown people.

I haven’t heard anyone say that asylum seekers are all paedophiles. You may be confused with people talking about the Asian grooming gangs rife across the country raping white girls for years with limited consequences. It appears to be still ongoing and oddly the government refuse to deal with it properly. That is not helping the overall situation.

Here

Here

I can't find the most recent attack I read about which was where a group of white men chased and beat some Asians.

I haven’t heard anyone say that asylum seekers are all paedophiles.

I've heard it a lot. Either conflating the grooming gangs with asylum seekers or saying that asylum seekers are ogling at children through school fences.

Racist thug who attacked four innocent Asian men spared jail

The attacks happened on a Saturday evening after Ethan Barrie had been to a stag party

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/racist-thug-who-attacked-four-9424386

MiloMinderbinder925 · 18/05/2025 23:39

Dangermoo · 18/05/2025 23:19

Reform don't need to be terrified; they are making inroads and putting it up Labour and Conservatives.

I think Farage is terrified of hard work.

Odras · 18/05/2025 23:43

Yes it’s terrifying. Far Right parties are rising all over Europe. They sailed in on the anti immigration boat but ultimately they will threaten our democratic institutions.

I think we are taking a dark turn and there will be more economic instability, more wars, less action on climate change all of which will cause even more global migration.

Scary times for sure.

TempestTost · 18/05/2025 23:50

ArcticTvrn · 18/05/2025 22:29

I'm one person :)

Thinking in 'you people' terms is a giveaway...

A givaway about what?

There is a whole faction of people who have created this situation, not just you personally.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 18/05/2025 23:53

Agree. It's terrifying. Nobody takes it seriously.

We can chat again in the aftermath.

converseandjeans · 18/05/2025 23:58

Sabire9 · 18/05/2025 23:13

@converseandjeans

"if they try to question it they are shut down, threatened with court action if they speak out"

What are you referring to. here?

Who is being 'threatened with court action' for complaining about asylum seekers living in hotels?

Social media and mainstream media are chock full of people who are absolutely furious about this. It's obviously not illegal to complain about it, so what are you referring to?

There were court cases last summer & people had police knocking on the door after they posted on X/Twitter. Tommy Robinson got put away/taken out of circulation. All it has achieved is that people are now even more pissed off. They feel that voicing what they think may result in a visit from the cops.

I’m not right wing, nor would I ever vote Reform. My last vote was for Green Party. I don’t agree with what these people are saying. I’m just trying to explain why they are feeling so strongly about the situation. Unless something is done about immigration the situation & protests will just get worse. Again I am not in agreement with the protests but denying there is an issue will just result in more protests.