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To be scared people aren't taking far-right extremists seriously?

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AnxiousApocalypse · 18/05/2025 20:43

There is so much anti-immigrant sentiment in the UK and the West in general. There are a lot of people that believe if you are a person of colour that has grown up in the UK but have immigrant parents, then you are not British enough- even if you have spent your whole life here and integrated into British society. On Wednesday, three far-right extremists were convicted in Sheffield Crown Court of planning a terrorist attack but there was hardly any coverage. At my workplace, people talk about immigrants coming over on scam care worker visas schemes, bringing their dependants and taking up resources such as school places and NHS appointments when those are already lacking for those born in Britain. I thought that scrapping overseas recruitment for care workers and heightening the qualifications threshold for skilled worker visas by the government was quite severe, but comments on the Daily Mail and Telegraph articles show that this isn't enough for most people. What about all the universities having to make cuts due to losing significant income from the new restrictions on international student visas? Will most people not be happy until the UK has no non-white people at all?

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BundleBoogie · 20/05/2025 18:09

Sabire9 · 19/05/2025 15:43

@BundleBoogie

"This thread highlights how difficult some people want to make any conversation about immigration and nationality - attempting to silence people with constant accusations of racism. This is part of the problem with people getting frustrated and wanting to protest."

This is a thread about the far right and the debate around immigration.

Suggesting that people are protesting because they feel they can't debate our immigration policies without being told they're racist, ignores the fact that so much of the rhetoric around immigration IS ACTUALLY RACIST!

No, it just shows that the self appointed arbiters of ‘right think’ like you appear to be, seem everything that doesn’t agree with your views to be ‘racist’. It’s not the same.

1984reallywasagoodbook · 20/05/2025 18:15

BundleBoogie · 20/05/2025 08:10

When you allow in men from countries with practically zero human rights for women and no regard for their safety, these men are likely to cause problems for women here.

If you read multiple newspaper reports, a popular defence among rapists who have arrived in this country relatively recently is that they didn’t realise rape was a crime.

In my mind, one rape or murder by an immigrant is one too many. As you point out we have enough home grown misogyny without importing a turbo charged version from countries that treat women worse than dogs.

The government have been reluctant to publish their data on crime rates among recent immigrants. There’s a clear reason for that. If the crime rates were low or unexceptional they would be published in a heartbeat to dispel all your projected ‘far right’ objections. The reluctance means they are not low or even unexceptional.

Very rationally said.

BundleBoogie · 20/05/2025 18:17

YehRight · 20/05/2025 15:41

Police made more than 9,000 arrests of foreign nationals for sexual offences in the first ten months of last year in 41 of the 43 forces in England and Wales, more than 26 per cent of the total estimated 35,000 sexual offences arrests.

The Centre of Migration Control think tank last week published data showing foreign nationals were 3.5 times as likely to be arrested for sex offences as British suspects. The think tank's freedom of information requests - answered by 22 forces - allows the figures to be broken down for child sex offences by region. At least 1,860 foreign nationals were arrested last year over sexual offences against children in England and Wales.

Campaigner Dame Jasvinder Sanghera - who has received death threats for speaking out - said she had 'no doubt' grooming gangs were continuing brazenly to target youngsters. Jasvinder, who was shunned by her family aged 16 after refusing an arranged marriage to an older man, founded Karma Nirvana, a charity helping victims of honour-based abuse in the UK, in 1993.

She told the Mail on Sunday: 'I've lost count of the number of times victims have come to me saying they are not being taken seriously because people are worried about community tensions. People are worried about being called a racist. People are worried about treading on cultural ties and and then on the back of that, people have not acted in response to these victims.'

'I've spent nearly 30 years trying to get agencies to recognize that this issue has to be dealt with as a safeguarding issue and not an issue you can just tiptoe around because it's from a different culture.'

'Cultural acceptance does not mean accepting the unacceptable'.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14274951/amp/foreign-nationals-arrested-sexual-offences-children-England-Wales.html

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Thank you for this post. Good for Dame Jasvinder. I hope that the people on this thread shouting racist that anyone who dares mention this sort of thing have a little think about the consequences of making people scared to act for fear of being called a racist. There are real women and children being harmed here.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 20/05/2025 18:21

@BundleBoogie

You said that it's a requirement for Nigerians to be black. An ethnostate is a state where citizenship is restricted to members of a particular race or ethnic group. You were describing Nigeria as an ethnostate.

Have you asked a Nigerian if you can expect to be regarded as fully Nigerian as a white person?

Again with this obsession with skin colour. I explained to you that Nigeria is not an ethnostate, you are Nigerian if you have Nigerian citizenship.

You were talking about 'indigenous' Britons being white. That there was two tier citizenship and people of colour such as Indians, aren't fully British.

I asked you why being 'indigenous' was so important to you a few times, but you refused to answer.

When did I say that Britons are British BECAUSE we are white?

You talked about 'indigenous' Britons as authentic Britons and immigrants who get citizenship as not being fully British. 'Indigenous' is a synonym for white.

In direct answer to your question, although I haven’t claimed to be ‘indigenous’, I probably am quite indigenous, having strong Celtic family lines that have been traced back 100s of years

Why is being 'indigenous' so important to you?

I will not engage further with your dishonest misrepresentations of my comments. It is not conducive to a productive conversation.

Oh dear.

Ponoka7 · 21/05/2025 16:19

JHound · 19/05/2025 00:23

What is this word salad?

Beyond your comprehension and knowledge base, obviously.

StandFirm · 22/05/2025 09:33

Seeing this whole racial culture war 'debate' is quite depressing. The Russians would love nothing more than to see the UK and US plunge into a race war and implode. But let's keep playing a game set up by Putin's trolls...

Simonjt · 22/05/2025 09:45

Lassango · 18/05/2025 21:19

Perhaps if the people running the country took action the protests would not be necessary. Just a thought.

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What action do you want?

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