To be scared people aren't taking far-right extremists seriously?

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There is so much anti-immigrant sentiment in the UK and the West in general. There are a lot of people that believe if you are a person of colour that has grown up in the UK but have immigrant parents, then you are not British enough- even if you have spent your whole life here and integrated into British society. On Wednesday, three far-right extremists were convicted in Sheffield Crown Court of planning a terrorist attack but there was hardly any coverage. At my workplace, people talk about immigrants coming over on scam care worker visas schemes, bringing their dependants and taking up resources such as school places and NHS appointments when those are already lacking for those born in Britain. I thought that scrapping overseas recruitment for care workers and heightening the qualifications threshold for skilled worker visas by the government was quite severe, but comments on the Daily Mail and Telegraph articles show that this isn't enough for most people. What about all the universities having to make cuts due to losing significant income from the new restrictions on international student visas? Will most people not be happy until the UK has no non-white people at all?

Perhaps if the people running the country took action that I want the protests would not be necessary. Just a thought

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The neoliberal right has certainly been as happy as the liberal left to have high immigration.

And for the same reasons, to suppress wages at the bottom and put pressure on unions.

It's really the ultimate betrayal of their roots in representing the working classes, but I suppose inevitable due to the capture of the Labour Party by middle class professionals in urban areas.

As far as racial culture war stuff, that has absolutely been the progressive left. The worst and most pervasive racism I've seen in the last 10 years has been from race essentialists on the left, It's really disturbing. I suppose the goal is to take the heat of of their adoption of globalism and abandonment of working class interests.

Yes Farage only seems to have one line ‘stop the boats’ but not sure what other policies he has. It’s easier being in opposition & I think if he gets into power then he won’t have a clue. I’m shocked it’s even thought to be possible. I used to think he was a bit of a joke.

It's all smoke and mirrors. They've got no idea how to "stop the boats" and Farage barely visits his constituency, never mind running the country.

What are you talking about? When Labour left office immigration was about 250k a year and it's now about 1m. We've had 14 years of Tories doing that. Johnson was a disaster.

As far as racial culture war stuff, that has absolutely been the progressive left

Can you explain what you mean please?

The mainstream parties can cry all they want about the rise of the far right but it’s ultimately their fault; they created the vacuum for Farage to fill. The genie is out the bottle now and my own view is that Reform will either win a majority at the next general or (more likely) hold the balance of power in a hung parliament.

The only way to prevent this is to engage with and reconnect with voters, fast. Sadly, there just isn’t enough time before the next GE.

Early indications in Romania that the far right candidate is not in the lead . Which is something. Small mercies.

Do you have the same issue with people who are proud to be black Africans? Or Nigerians that have a national identity that requires a Nigerian to be black and have originated from Nigeria?

So does British national identity require Britons to be white and have “originated from Britain)

(Side note: I have also never heard of a Nigerian identity that is racial. Primarily because “blackness” and “Nigerian are European inventions. Most Nigerians I known would identify by a Nigerian erhnicity. But I don’t care about other countries - I care about my own.)

The hope is that Reform will implode in its current iteration as its predecessors have.

Farage claimed ages ago he was done with politics and, I believe he said, bankrupt. But he's still hanging around like shit on your shoe. Who's funding the grifter?

I hear it far more from the UK than I do North America.

Yes, true Britons, real Britons are white with a bloodline going back to the ancient Celts. These indigenous folk are very proud of the purity of their ancestry and it's very important.

That’s the disturbing thing. The rise of social media platforms shows these people are everywhere and far more numerous than we think.

They’re just so odd!

Speak to immigrant women of colour. The ones I mix with are very concerned that we are letting in the men that they've had to flee from. I was very surprised by what the immigrant communities (all working across Health/Pharmacy) had to say on some immigration. They haven't been surprised by the deportations and imprisonment of some if the men in their communities, just how they got the jobs that gave them access to vulnerable women.
@JHound do you mix much in the Black, African communities? As said they don't see themselves as one group and there's a lot of bigotry between groups. White people aren't going over and killing the Christians in Nigeria at the rate of a 100 a day. My main friend is Igbo first and foremost. My Ghanaian friends are proud of the progess their society is making and declare themselves Ghanian (there's a lot of mixed celebrations).

What is this word salad?

The ‘non-whiteness’ (using OP’s term) is perhaps being conflated by the apparent ‘far right’ as a short cut to the representation of a culture that threatens the prevailing/at risk ‘whiteness’. Boiling it down, Britain used to be open armed, welcoming, then it became stretched, squeezed and heinous crimes targeting British / western culture became a catalyst for everything that’s wrong with being so welcoming.
This is completely simplistic. But I think it’s true.

In context, it’s easy to see when living and working in London how it’s deteriorated in the last twenty years; safety, dirt, manners, coupled with less prosperity and housing affordability - which can’t be the fault simply of non whiteness but has become synonymous with the influx of it.

Cue the mistrust of the boats / illegal migrants / economic migrants / migrant hotels
/ rape gangs / high breeding rate / low skilled workers / lack of integration / schools leaning towards ‘inclusivity’ inferring white guilt / losing national pride / loss of belonging / can’t get a hospital appointment / groups of men hanging around outside schools - why? etc. etc - it all stems from real, felt impacts - tied in to one huge reason why Britain is failing, or at least, not the Britain the majority believe in.

Basically, white/non-white is nonsense and should really be understood as the the clashing of culture in an overly populous country that’s had some awful terrorism / anti British/western culture attacks in the last 20 years.

Trying to make sense of it too.

Settled people who are poor or working class are at the bottom of the heap utterly desperate for resources, that aren't there. It's very hard to be noble when you've been on a council waiting list for decades and recent immigrants are always ahead of you in the queue. If families are fleeing war torn countries fine but there's not enough to go around at the bottom of the heap without getting pissed off.

I'm concerned about the far right and fascism. I'm antifa though because I'm bloody well not having it. My grandad was an OG when it came to fashfighting. Whilst I'm not out shooting Nazi's like he did, there are still peaceful things people can do in resistance. Time spent worrying about this could be put to much better use in protest.

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Britain was never open armed. We had rivers of blood speeches, black shirts, the BNP, EDL, more recently race riots and the anti immigrant rhetoric since before Brexit which is ugly and divisive.

You sound racist when you blame the decline of London being synonymous with an influx of people of colour.

You seem to give some kind of jumbled selection of dehumanising stereotypes: rapists, paedophiles, high breeding rate..

Britain isn't 'failing' because of immigrants or asylum seekers, it's had years of wage stagnation, austerity and lack of investment plus Brexit.

I’m assuming from that response that you can’t answer my questions. Maybe have a think about why that is before you try and turn this on me.

So 1 drunk man attacked a stag do and 2 football fans attacked men in a train.

Attacking anyone on grounds of race is abhorrent - but this is hardly indicative of a) a pattern or b) the ‘rise of the far right’

So you’re very happy for the taxpayer to spend vast sums of money renting hotels to keep the thousands of ‘asylum seekers’ pouring into the country every week?
What happens when all the hotels are rented and businesses and tourism can no longer operate due to the many years it take to process their claims?
Not all of these men (and where are the women?) are genuine asylum seekers - they have chosen to leave a safe country to make a crossing across a pretty safe stretch of water with the RNLI on attendance in case of issues. Some are going this for economic reasons or because if genuine asylum seekers, we give them a better deal than France. We don’t know how many.

I said that attacks had increased due to the spread of hate and division and gave you some examples. Nine football fans were believed to have taken part in the attack and there have always been links between football and the far right.

Plus the far right have been making a nuisance of themselves outside some of the asylum hotels and taking part in protests. There were far right riots last year that may have passed you by.

What questions? About how important it is to you to have an unsullied lineage with no foreign blood? I simply asked why something like that is important.

What do you mean by ‘British National identity ’? Are you suggesting that is the same as being British?

The point in your side note is not relevant to my question. I asked how pp would feel about people from other countries doing what she is criticising us for wanting to do. It’s a very different point.